View Poll Results: Who is your favourite 616 Marvel LGBT character?

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  • ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]

    26 3.56%
  • BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]

    12 1.64%
  • CULLEN BLOODSTONE

    20 2.74%
  • DAKEN AKIHIRO

    42 5.75%
  • HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]

    35 4.79%
  • KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]

    38 5.20%
  • KAROLINA DEAN

    43 5.88%
  • LOKI LAUFEYSON, God of Mischief

    62 8.48%
  • MOONDRAGON [Heather Douglas]

    38 5.20%
  • MYSTIQUE [Raven Darkholme]

    107 14.64%
  • NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]

    59 8.07%
  • PRODIGY [David Alleyne]

    21 2.87%
  • RICTOR [Julio Esteban Ricter]

    35 4.79%
  • SHATTERSTAR [Gaveedra-7]

    45 6.16%
  • WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan], the Demiurge

    148 20.25%
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    Thank you for your insight on this Mackandal! Really, thank you.

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    Well, obviously I don't speak for or even agree with all or most of the trans community. It's just, like, my opinion man.
    Tbf, I'm not a woman so I don't feel as directly threatened by trans panic as they do which may colour my feelings. But I think most of the loudest voices against it aren't women either, so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackandal View Post
    I am trans.

    I don't understand what the point of X-Men even is if writers aren't allowed to spotlight and shame real oppression.

    A cis character is transphobically victimised- bad because they're not vulnerable in real life. A trans character is transphobically victimised- very bad because it's triggering. So then the only option left is to pretend there is no conflict and that everyone is equal. So then why have mutants at all?

    The character in question isn't trans. So when Rosenberg writes her being murdered for being a "trap", no trans woman has to suffer. This scene won't contribute to the perception of trans women. Trans women don't have to literally see themselves die. That's why I was relatively unaffected reading it, and only became triggered reading the discourse hammering home that this scene depicts us suffering, and we are always suffering. Trans women aren't the victims on page. But the absurdity of the Panic reasoning, the evil of her murderers, the injustice, that is conveyed. I would have thought this scene was the best of both worlds.

    I don't know what these people want, beyond actual and positive trans rep, which yeah, of course. But the contents of UXM 17 don't preclude that.
    Thank you for this.

    This was the point I very much wanted to make, but didn't feel overly comfortable doing so because I couldn't speak from a trans POV.
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    Edit: should have probably read the last page in a bit more detail lol
    Last edited by Wiccan615; 05-03-2019 at 08:58 PM.
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    This is pretty much what started the conversation around here...

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    https://www.instagram.com/p/BxP_OmVF...=1rwklxu97p2gj

    Heinberg and Cheung are doing a new book this August. Could it be a new Young Avengers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ticomat View Post
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BxP_OmVF...=1rwklxu97p2gj

    Heinberg and Cheung are doing a new book this August. Could it be a new Young Avengers?
    I don't think it's confirmed to be a new book

    Speculation I've seen is that it's part of the Marvel 80th anniversary specials. Each creative team will probably only get a few pages

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    The leaker Roger Wardell is saying on Twitter that Guardians 3 will indeed feature Moondragon.
    https://twitter.com/RogerWardell/sta...21891586387968

    He's pretty reputable since he leaked a lot of stuff about Endgame months in advance, including spoilers:
    Thor getting fat and a lot of the cameos from people like Crossbones, and even Cap fighting his past self
    end of spoilers. I know there were rumors/speculation Phyla-Vell might be in as well, so hopefully that comes true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    I don't think it's confirmed to be a new book

    Speculation I've seen is that it's part of the Marvel 80th anniversary specials. Each creative team will probably only get a few pages
    Yeah, none of these are new books (at least that's what the speculation is leaning towards). Would be awesome for YA to be included in the collection in this way though.

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    Now the Russo brothers are saying that the gay character in Endgame is the MCU's first openly gay character, but not the first gay character and that the other character will be revealed as gay eventually.

    So now the question is; who is it? And how are people going to react to this?

    https://www.pride.com/geek/2019/5/09...cters-gay-soon

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    ok, so moslty ignoring the X-Men stuff since I haven't been keeping up with that (it sounds cringey tho) and on to my primary interest...

    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    I've been craving some new interactions between the boys and Loki, so I'm excited for this! Billy and Loki were actually really important to each other's journey during Gillen's Young Avengers, and it's kind of shocking to me that they haven't interacted ever since. Hopefully more writers will explore their relationship. There's a lot of potential there.
    right?? And what I find interesting is that Loki right now is going through some stuff very similar to what Wiccan was going through, where he thinks the world may be better off without him, but is failing to take his own advice that he gave to Billy. So I'd like Billy to just like, spit the same stuff Loki said to him during YA right back at him. So while fun geeking out might be, well, fun, and I hope there is some of that, I kinda hope for more to it than just that, because Loki needs it, and it would tie into WotR better if it dealt with what he's going through after having been, you know, eaten and all (also lol, callback to YA there, where fake-Laufey told him and the others they'd be 'good for eating') which had to be a bit traumatic to put it mildly. So I doubt he's really in the mood for like, just chilling...

    Same. I read ''drag brunch'' and just thought he meant drag as in something annoying, LOL. It wasn't until I saw the discussion here that I actually decided to look up and find out drag brunch is an actual thing with drag queens. And Loki doing drag could be funny, but I also think it could come off as a little problematic, since a lot of people tend to forget he also identifies as a woman. I fear that portraying him as a guy who dresses up like a woman might send the wrong message regarding his gender identity. Like Lady Loki is something ''he does for fun'' and not his actual self, when it's been established that this is not the case. Hopefully Oliveira will know how to portray this, if it is something that happens.
    Ok, so at least I am not alone in not knowing that was a thing... and uh, we actually just kinda went over that, sort of, in the Loki thread, where some people are very particular about how that aspect is portrayed (some, people in the thread, in a reasonable way, others not so much because they read too much into it) I know, we post novels at eachother in that thread, but still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfMagnetism View Post
    And how are people going to react to this?

    https://www.pride.com/geek/2019/5/09...cters-gay-soon
    If the Endgame scene was any indication, with overwhelming "meh."

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    Valkyrie is in the comics, so, I mean I kind of just assumed she was in the movies as well, they just never got around to showing it beyond possibly vague hints during the flashback in Ragnarok. (so basically, I wouldn't find it surprising)
    Last edited by Raye; 05-09-2019 at 04:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    If the Endgame scene was any indication, with overwhelming "meh."
    That's mostly because the Endgame scene was a nameless minor character with like 2 lines of dialogue. This sounds more like a Dumbledore-esque case of "oh this character was gay all along", which has much more potential to get people riled up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raye View Post
    Valkyrie is in the comics, so, I mean I kind of just assumed she was in the movies as well, they just never got around to showing it beyond possibly vague hints during the flashback in Ragnarok. (so basically, I wouldn't find it surprising)
    I don't think it's Valkyrie because they apparently specifically say the character is gay (or perhaps they meant "queer" in general instead of homosexual specifically) and it sounds like the character has already been speculated by some people to be gay.
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