View Poll Results: Who is your favourite 616 Marvel LGBT character?

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  • ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]

    26 3.56%
  • BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]

    12 1.64%
  • CULLEN BLOODSTONE

    20 2.74%
  • DAKEN AKIHIRO

    42 5.75%
  • HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]

    35 4.79%
  • KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]

    38 5.20%
  • KAROLINA DEAN

    43 5.88%
  • LOKI LAUFEYSON, God of Mischief

    62 8.48%
  • MOONDRAGON [Heather Douglas]

    38 5.20%
  • MYSTIQUE [Raven Darkholme]

    107 14.64%
  • NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]

    59 8.07%
  • PRODIGY [David Alleyne]

    21 2.87%
  • RICTOR [Julio Esteban Ricter]

    35 4.79%
  • SHATTERSTAR [Gaveedra-7]

    45 6.16%
  • WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan], the Demiurge

    148 20.25%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Wartime exceptions can apply to most characters, but especially when the target is a being that has been around since the dawn of time who's death could end the occupation of all of North America, and your team is 3/4s ex-cons.
    There's a world of diference between being a thief and being a murderer.
    And I see that "if it ain't human, it's okay to kill" excuse brought out waaay too often to excuse OOC writing. Case in point Spider-Man killing dozens of Thanos' grunts in Endgame. Sorry, but it doesn't fly with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Wartime exceptions can apply to most characters, but especially when the target is a being that has been around since the dawn of time who's death could end the occupation of all of North America, and your team is 3/4s ex-cons.
    it's also Frost Giants anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibara View Post
    So...the Marvel 1000 collage cover. Anyone see Alan Scott(DC) and Sam kissing? I'm thinking its supposed to be Billy and Teddy or Northstar and Kyle?
    YEP. Some people on Twitter noticed as well. Love that Marvel so underuses their LGBT characters that no one noticed it wasn’t even *their* characters. Most likely was supposed to be Billy & Teddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Wartime exceptions can apply to most characters, but especially when the target is a being that has been around since the dawn of time who's death could end the occupation of all of North America, and your team is 3/4s ex-cons.
    Ant Man's ex-con's past was as a thief to help his daughter and Foster's was protesting the government/Avengers. Erik was a soldier before he was a criminal, so he might do it.

    I think the writer simply forgot that he needed diversity beyond just racial/sexual orientation. The cast isn't the same no, but they aren't different enough. And yeah, the idea that these four would be okay with a hunter/kill mission, let alone be able to accomplish it (stealth is only Scott's strength) does strain credibility

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    I agree that the whole "they're not humans so it doesn't count" logic doesn't really work with the reality of the Marvel universe – but, it isn't anything new. Not at all different from Secret Invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraysonXIV View Post
    YEP. Some people on Twitter noticed as well. Love that Marvel so underuses their LGBT characters that no one noticed it wasn’t even *their* characters. Most likely was supposed to be Billy & Teddy.
    I guess the most likely answer is that whoever got assigned to do that cover wound up snatching an image from some "Top Ten Worst/Best Gay Moments In Comics" list without looking very closely at who the characters actually were. Though, really? Alan Scott and Sam are pretty damn obscure at this point; DC seems to have done their best to kick sand over that whole sorry blip on the radar. I wouldn't be surprised if that picture was included deliberately just to see if anyone in the Marvel offices noticed.

    ETA: Yeah, the artist yoinked an internet image and didn't check the character names closely.
    Last edited by Anduinel; 05-24-2019 at 11:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H-E-D View Post
    I agree that the whole "they're not humans so it doesn't count" logic doesn't really work with the reality of the Marvel universe – but, it isn't anything new. Not at all different from Secret Invasion.
    "They're not human so it doesn't count" logic WOULD work for some characters. And as others in the thread have already noted, the fact that it is a war--these beings have invaded their planet and it is literally a kill-or-be-kill situation--would be enough to justify it for just about every character. It is not a normal circumstance. Its true that most of these characters would not kill under normal circumstances...but this isn't normal.

    Atlas absolutely would kill and has killed before. He was a soldier and a mercenary before becoming a super-villain, and has killed and attempted to kill people since getting his powers.

    Scott Lang has also showed a bit of a dark side on occasion (especially if it involves a threat to Cassie or other children -- like when he was prepared to murder the man who kidnapped Cassie, but instead let Jack Of Hearts do it since he was about to die himself anyway), so I have no trouble believing that he would kill if the situation called for it.

    As for Raz and Tom, I don't really think either of them would normally use lethal force--but again, this is a kill-or-be-killed situation and I think both of them would rather be on the "kill" than "be killed" side of that equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dermie View Post
    "They're not human so it doesn't count" logic WOULD work for some characters. And as others in the thread have already noted, the fact that it is a war--these beings have invaded their planet and it is literally a kill-or-be-kill situation--would be enough to justify it for just about every character. It is not a normal circumstance. Its true that most of these characters would not kill under normal circumstances...but this isn't normal.

    Atlas absolutely would kill and has killed before. He was a soldier and a mercenary before becoming a super-villain, and has killed and attempted to kill people since getting his powers.

    Scott Lang has also showed a bit of a dark side on occasion (especially if it involves a threat to Cassie or other children -- like when he was prepared to murder the man who kidnapped Cassie, but instead let Jack Of Hearts do it since he was about to die himself anyway), so I have no trouble believing that he would kill if the situation called for it.

    As for Raz and Tom, I don't really think either of them would normally use lethal force--but again, this is a kill-or-be-killed situation and I think both of them would rather be on the "kill" than "be killed" side of that equation.
    The general conceit of superhero comics is that aside from antiheroes or outright militaristic characters, heroes don't kill. It might happen in an extremely stressful, split decision moment, but for the most part heroes are supposed to be idealistc figures.

    This also isn't some kidnapped daughter situation. They were asked by some quasi-mythological figure they barely know to kill another quasi-mythological figure they don't know as revenge for the killing of the first's son, who in the past has had a major antagonistical role in the lives of their compatriots.
    And on top of all of that, the one they're supposed to kill isn't even directly responsible for the death of that son.
    But yeah, sure. That totally sounds like something heroes would do.
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    Soooo, I just love this so much! I mean, Sailor Moon Billy! Teddy using Excelsior to hold his cereal bowl! It's so good!

    Bigger image: https://tinyurl.com/yxsom3k8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dermie View Post
    "They're not human so it doesn't count" logic WOULD work for some characters. And as others in the thread have already noted, the fact that it is a war--these beings have invaded their planet and it is literally a kill-or-be-kill situation--would be enough to justify it for just about every character. It is not a normal circumstance. Its true that most of these characters would not kill under normal circumstances...but this isn't normal.

    Atlas absolutely would kill and has killed before. He was a soldier and a mercenary before becoming a super-villain, and has killed and attempted to kill people since getting his powers.

    Scott Lang has also showed a bit of a dark side on occasion (especially if it involves a threat to Cassie or other children -- like when he was prepared to murder the man who kidnapped Cassie, but instead let Jack Of Hearts do it since he was about to die himself anyway), so I have no trouble believing that he would kill if the situation called for it.

    As for Raz and Tom, I don't really think either of them would normally use lethal force--but again, this is a kill-or-be-killed situation and I think both of them would rather be on the "kill" than "be killed" side of that equation.
    Minor point of fact with Atlas, though. Once he gained his ionic powers, they messed with his mind. So his attempted murders, like Herc and Genis, were due to outside influences more than say, a complete disregard for human life.

    That said, Erik is easily led and likely killed some people as a Zemo merc. But left to his own devises, and his powers working correctly, he's not inclined to kill.

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    Billy doing the Sailor Moon pose is all I ever needed.

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    This War of the Realms entry is SO GAY.



    Dazzler. Sailor Moon. She-Ra. Mimosas. Teen Girl Squad. Frozen. Drag Queens. X-Men references.

    I. Am. So. Hard.

    lol

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    Awww, it's so sweet.

    God damn people in their happy functioning relationships.

    Break up now! :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by NexusTenebrare View Post
    The general conceit of superhero comics is that aside from antiheroes or outright militaristic characters, heroes don't kill. It might happen in an extremely stressful, split decision moment, but for the most part heroes are supposed to be idealistc figures.
    Yes, I agree. But again, this isn't a typical superhero fight situation. It is a war, with a full scale planetary invasion. One of the horrors of war is that it puts people into situations where they do things that they normally would not do.

    I don't disagree that as a general rule, most heroes don't kill--although that has become somewhat less true over time, with fewer heroes having a firm "killing is a last resort" position. But there are exceptions, and there are situations that push characters to do different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    Minor point of fact with Atlas, though. Once he gained his ionic powers, they messed with his mind. So his attempted murders, like Herc and Genis, were due to outside influences more than say, a complete disregard for human life.

    That said, Erik is easily led and likely killed some people as a Zemo merc. But left to his own devises, and his powers working correctly, he's not inclined to kill.
    I'm not saying Atlas is a cold blooded murderer. I'm just saying there is precedent for him to kill and to use lethal force.

    And while you can certainly make an argument for his murder of Genis as being due to mental instability (although his ionic powers had been dormant until that exact moment when his rage and desire to lash out at Genis triggered them to re-emerge), I don't think that argument really works with Hercules. Erik was still pretty stable mentally and emotionally in those days. It was around the start of Wonder Man's solo book where Erik really started to lose his grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibara View Post
    So...the Marvel 1000 collage cover. Anyone see Alan Scott(DC) and Sam kissing? I'm thinking its supposed to be Billy and Teddy or Northstar and Kyle?
    Quote Originally Posted by GraysonXIV View Post
    YEP. Some people on Twitter noticed as well. Love that Marvel so underuses their LGBT characters that no one noticed it wasn’t even *their* characters. Most likely was supposed to be Billy & Teddy.
    Someone pointed out on Twitter how the DC image looks incredibly similar to the Billy/Teddy kiss from Children's Crusade, so yeah, I believe it might've been supposed to be them indeed.




    Marvel is reportedly changing the cover now that they've been notified of the gaffe. Hopefully they won't just delete the DC picture but actually replace it with a Marvel gay kiss, 'cause it would be nice to still have that on the cover.
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