LGBT+ Marvel Characters Discussion

[Tiamatty]

Flash & Brunnhilde...So Random!

Yeah. It was what cemented my belief that Remender should never be allowed to start new relationships. He writes existing romantic relationships well enough. But there was no chemistry at all between Val and Flash. It just came out of nowhere.

(Of course that's the kind of Straight people logic that set up Karolina Dean and Julie Power, they both like girls and they fly with rainbows, that's literally the extent of depth of their relationship.)

I actually think they do make sense as a couple. They've both got a bit of an entertainment background. They have similarly outgoing personalities. The fact that they both fly is almost certainly going to create a bond. So that's a pairing I'm totally behind.

[Beetle]

I actually think they do make sense as a couple. They've both got a bit of an entertainment background. They have similarly outgoing personalities. The fact that they both fly is almost certainly going to create a bond. So that's a pairing I'm totally behind.

If they were ever shown on panel talking about these mutual interests and doing anything but standing in the background looking pretty, I might be able to get behind it.

But instead its literally "My fiance just sacrificed her life for me, wanna date?"

[Tiamatty]

If they were ever shown on panel talking about these mutual interests and doing anything but standing in the background looking pretty, I might be able to get behind it.

But instead its literally "My fiance just sacrificed her life for me, wanna date?"

Well, the relationship was started because they'd briefly flirted in the past. Gage was building on a bit from Runaways, and he actually went about it in a pretty effective manner. Hell, they agreed on getting coffee first - a pretty standard thing to do with someone you find attractive.

Unfortunately, we haven't seen much of them since Academy ended. It would definitely be great seeing them hanging out. But I guess they're characters no one can find a place for.

[Kieran_Frost]

In the thread about "If Hickman doesn't out his LGBT Avenger..." someone mentioned She-Hulk had alluded to dating Wasp and Thundra when she broke the fourth wall. Does anyone know if this is true? Dermie, I look to you!

[Vic Vega]

In the thread about "If Hickman doesn't out his LGBT Avenger..." someone mentioned She-Hulk had alluded to dating Wasp and Thundra when she broke the fourth wall. Does anyone know if this is true? Dermie, I look to you!

I'm going assume She-Hulk was joking as this has never been mentioned in any of the Avengers stories I've read with them.

I do know that based on remarks made by Thundra in She Hulk's comic, she is at least Bisexual.

[Kieran_Frost]

Just checking (regarding Fearless Defenders) was Annabelle still with Ren Kimura at the end of the series?

I'm going assume She-Hulk was joking as this has never been mentioned in any of the Avengers stories I've read with them.

I do know that based on remarks made by Thundra in She Hulk's comic, she is at least Bisexual.

I knew of Thundra's bisexuality, but She-Hulk's LGBT status is new to me.

[Sea Hound]

Just checking (regarding Fearless Defenders) was Annabelle still with Ren Kimura at the end of the series?


I knew of Thundra's bisexuality, but She-Hulk's LGBT status is new to me.

I don't think Shulkie is. (I think Vic meant Thundra was, not She Hulk.). I don't know of the fourth wall breaking incident, but I remember this panel. Although maybe someone knows more about their previous adventures?
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[Silvermoth]

In the thread about "If Hickman doesn't out his LGBT Avenger..." someone mentioned She-Hulk had alluded to dating Wasp and Thundra when she broke the fourth wall. Does anyone know if this is true? Dermie, I look to you!

Pretty much all the female characters in the marvel u have alluded to being bisexual at some point. It's part of the fantasy for hat used to be the main demographic (teenage hormonal straight boys)

[Tiamatty]

Just checking (regarding Fearless Defenders) was Annabelle still with Ren Kimura at the end of the series?

Yes she was.

Pretty much all the female characters in the marvel u have alluded to being bisexual at some point. It's part of the fantasy for hat used to be the main demographic (teenage hormonal straight boys)

Yeah. Pretty much. Plus, according to message boards like this, basically every character is actually gay.

[Spider-Chan]

Yeah... I don't buy it. Lol.

http://community.comicbookresources....l=1#post200216

Bringing it back, cuz it has to become a thing

[Kieran_Frost]

http://community.comicbookresources....l=1#post200216

Bringing it back, cuz it has to become a thing

So good it's worth posting fully!

I once read the "theory" that Emma Frost is a trans woman. The guy who made the "theory" was just joking, but it made sense in so many levels, its pretty much canon in my head. I can't recall very good but it stated that her "brother", Christian Frost, was in fact Emma and young Emma is a product of Emma's own imagination, a vision of how she could be and how beautiful she could look.

In the Emma Frost series is revealed that "Christian" is gay and his father, being a bigot, sends him to a mental institution, where he's never heard of again. In Generation X #24 is stated that Emma was in a mental institution from which she escaped and she burned it to the ground and she "never looked back".
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...rosts-origins/
There are other details here and there, and obviously some stuff was written in other times etc... but if a writer decides to make Emma a trans woman, it would make sense. There would be no contradictions and it would explain so many aspects of her life, from her pessimistic views about humanity in general but protector of those who have suffered...

... to her fabulousness.

[America / Bucky / Russia]

I see it as an overcomplicated and unnecessary retcon which doesn't make sense to me. Not everything needs to be connected, and I'm fine with *suicidal gay brother* being separate to that.

And to totally make assumptions here, I assume that in the Hellfire Club, a fair amount of men, shall we say, joined in, or at least tried to join in, with Emma. (But correct me if that's a misguided assumption.) Now, I don't know straight guys' sex habits too well, but her being trans I would see as being a turn-off to a significant number of the men there, especially if their views are more conservative.

I do think we need a trans superhero (the only one I can name is Xavin, but s/he is not trans in the traditional sense, rather the non-binary Skrull sense), but Marvel's problem is the fact that if they create a new character, they either have to have a minority following as part of a book where they are not the protagonist, or as part of a teen book. Even as gay myself it took me a while to understand what trans meant; heck, I've only known trans people from this year (or people I knew before coming out as trans). "Boys like boys/girls like girls/girls like girls and boys" etc. is simple enough to explain, but it's less simple with T, or at least less people understand it.

Any examples of even trans characters we can think of? Because honestly, unless Marvel pick up the adaptation rights to Orange is the New Black, I don't see there being any trans-positive series anytime soon. Which is a shame, because I would love to read one. It's perfect for a young hero with the metaphor of finding an identity, being superhero or gender or life or otherwise.

[Kieran_Frost]

I see it as an overcomplicated and unnecessary retcon which doesn't make sense to me. Not everything needs to be connected, and I'm fine with *suicidal gay brother* being separate to that.

If you click the link to the "Abandoned plot threads" CBR link, Emma's history is already overly complicated and full of retcons (almost everytime a writer mentioned her past in detail, in fact, it seemed to come with a retcon); this idea actually explains and sorts out all the complications/retcons; making them all "true" yet not true. The same way Gillen's Noh-vah was a good way of 'unifying' Morrison and Bendis' two very different Noh-var personalities into one.

And to totally make assumptions here, I assume that in the Hellfire Club, a fair amount of men, shall we say, joined in, or at least tried to join in, with Emma. (But correct me if that's a misguided assumption.) Now, I don't know straight guys' sex habits too well, but her being trans I would see as being a turn-off to a significant number of the men there, especially if their views are more conservative.

Like in X-men: First Class, the implication is a lot of Hellfire men THOUGHT they had been with Emma, when actually she merely used her telepathy to think that. As for "straight guys sex habits"; if she's post-op there is no reason for them to ever work it out. Arguably Scott would know, and I don't think Scott would care at all. Namor probably knows, Namor doesn't care.

Any examples of even trans characters we can think of?

Tong (a moloid) from FF by Matt Fraction is the only truly trans characters I am aware of.

[Spider-Chan]

Like in X-men: First Class, the implication is a lot of Hellfire men THOUGHT they had been with Emma, when actually she merely used her telepathy to think that. As for "straight guys sex habits"; if she's post-op there is no reason for them to ever work it out. Arguably Scott would know, and I don't think Scott would care at all. Namor probably knows, Namor doesn't care.

"[...]since I could make men see whatever I wanted them to see [...]"


Anything a bit contradictory could be handwaved as "It was her power". I recall that in Old Man Logan, Wolverine says that Emma still looks young, to which she says that she actually looks older, but she's using her powers to make herself look young.

And as the image shows, she has explicitly done on herself some major plastic surgeries.

[America / Bucky / Russia]

Like in X-men: First Class, the implication is a lot of Hellfire men THOUGHT they had been with Emma, when actually she merely used her telepathy to think that. As for "straight guys sex habits"; if she's post-op there is no reason for them to ever work it out. Arguably Scott would know, and I don't think Scott would care at all. Namor probably knows, Namor doesn't care.

I like the First Class implication (I like the whole film, to be fair), just not sure if that had ever been carried over to (or was carried over from) 616.