LGBT+ Marvel Characters Discussion

[legion_quest]

NSFW:
Some very nice looking Hulkling and Wiccan body paint.

Yes. That is certainly a nice......body paint.......that that Wiccan has

[klinton]

NSFW:
Some very nice looking...

I don't understand the interest in pornographic representations of comic book characters at the best of times. It's just...weird.

I find the idea of pornographic representations of underage minors to be entirely offensive and completely innapropriate. There are laws about this sort of thing for a reason. :/

[Greg]

QUESTIONS:
a) do you like Daken?
b) did you read Dark Wolverine by Liu/Way?

A) I LOVE Daken!! He's one of my absolute favorites. He adds variety to the stable of anti-heroes and I like that I was able to pick up a character with different morals. He made it intriguing to read and I loved his mind tricks. I'm a fan of trickster characters and people able to use their minds. I love that he's bisexual and that he's so unfiltered with it to the point that he'll use it to his advantage. He's proud of it and doesn't apologize and he's doesn't care. I may not like him as a person if he was real, but as a character he's enjoyable to read.

B) I felt they had good plots and ideas, but overall an "eh" execution with the final product. I much preferred Williams writing him.

[PretenderNX01]

I don't understand the interest in pornographic representations of comic book characters at the best of times. It's just...weird.

Everybody's got their thing.

PS Thanks, ye of three names.

I find the idea of pornographic representations of underage minors to be entirely offensive and completely innapropriate.

I think Billy and Teddy aged up to 18 in the last series. Sidekicks and spinoffs get to age, I thought they said they figured they were 16 in the original and with all that happened in Children's Crusade and after (Johnny Storm's death and life, Civil War and so on) they probably aged a year if not two.

[legion_quest]

Kate's up to 21, so the YA are certainly aging

[Time Like Lightning]

I think Billy and Teddy aged up to 18 in the last series. Sidekicks and spinoffs get to age, I thought they said they figured they were 16 in the original and with all that happened in Children's Crusade and after (Johnny Storm's death and life, Civil War and so on) they probably aged a year if not two.

Kate's up to 21, so the YA are certainly aging

Yeah, Gillen's gotten a few asks on Tumblr about the YA's ages. From his responses and stuff in-text, the ages at the time of Vol. 2 are as follows:

Billy-- 18 (16 in the original series)
Teddy-- 18 (16 in the original series)
Noh-Varr-- 21
Kate-- 20/21 (we never find out if she's actually reached her birthday by the series' end, do we?)
America-- 17
Loki-- Not sure on Kid!Loki, but apparently Gillen's stated Loki aged up to be the same age as Kate, so biologically he's now 20/21 (discounting Asgardian immortality and all that jazz)
David-- Somewhere in the 17-19 range.
Tommy-- 18 (he'd be the same age as his twin brother)

Not sure about Kang or Eli, and Vision's could be argued a bunch of ways. But Cassie was the youngest, 14 when Vol. 1 started. Given the amount of time needed to pass b/w the end of Children's Crusade and the start of Vol. 2, she was probably only 15 or barely 16 when she died.

Sorry, not a very cheery way to start the day. :-(

[Fokken]

Y'know, when you said America was 17 I found myself thinking "Uh..... no??" with extreme sardonic overtones.

haha.

Then I found Gillen's response to the question on his tumblr: "17-18 was my feeling. She’s actually younger than a good chunk of the YA folk."

[Time Like Lightning]

Is it weird the word "sardonic" always makes me crave tuna fish?

Don't answer that.

Fokken, education is the all-solving tool. With it in our grasp, we can spark relaunches of Young Avengers, New X-Men, and a Red-Hood-and-the-Outlaws-esque Runaways featuring Xavin and two unaffiliated peeps of your choice. (I just don't see her ever going back to them. They've all been through too much to ever pick back up where they left off.)

[Magnito]

It always bugged me that Gillen made Kate 2 years older than Billy and Teddy and we previously knew Cassie was 2 years younger.

That retroactivly makes Kate 4 years older than Cassie, which makes their friendship a little odd.

How many high school seniors would become best friends to someone still in grade 8?

[Time Like Lightning]

I read it as a sisterly relationship. Kate doesn't seem to really connect with her sister the few times we see them interact, but she and Cassie have the shared love for superheroics. Plus, Cassie lacks ANY kind of sibling (or really positive role model close to her, at the time the series kicks off), so it makes sense she'd latch onto Kate.

Some people genuinely don't mind hanging out with those a bit younger, either (and not in the creepy sense). Back home, my close friend group is five people, one of whom's at least a year older than the next closest.

[Fokken]

I read it as a sisterly relationship. Kate doesn't seem to really connect with her sister the few times we see them interact, but she and Cassie have the shared love for superheroics. Plus, Cassie lacks ANY kind of sibling (or really positive role model close to her, at the time the series kicks off), so it makes sense she'd latch onto Kate.

Some people genuinely don't mind hanging out with those a bit younger, either (and not in the creepy sense). Back home, my close friend group is five people, one of whom's at least a year older than the next closest.

Agreed. She became the "older sister" she'd always wanted to be, for Cassie, and in doing so fostered a kinship.

[Garrick1010]

It always bugged me that Gillen made Kate 2 years older than Billy and Teddy and we previously knew Cassie was 2 years younger.

That retroactivly makes Kate 4 years older than Cassie, which makes their friendship a little odd.

How many high school seniors would become best friends to someone still in grade 8?

idk about best friends... but seniors who might be in a club with one of them or somether (like a group of teenage super heroes lol)... but whereas it's weird to me and you some people actually develop these kinds of frendships... i had cousins who were best friends and had about 4 or 5 years in age difference... I found it so weird.. maybe mentally they were the same age XD lol

[Andru]

I was under the impression that Rictor identified as bisexual. I don't know if Moondragon has said one way or the other, but it seems reasonable to assume she's bisexual, for now.

But if we remove those two, then that's three of the four most prominent bisexuals being morally-dubious manipulators.

I think Rictor identifies as strictly gay now. He had a conversation with Rahne about it....I think it was when he accompanied her to the "OBGYN"...Don't quote me on that though.

[Andru]

He accepts everything about Emma, the good and the bad. I see no reason to imply he's care about this anymore than he cared about her villainous past. When you truly love someone, you love them for who they are, and Scott LOVED Emma, more than anyone.

That would be nice, but...

Being a former villain is a little different than being a former man. Throughout my reading of Scott, I would think he would have a major issue with this. Not only did Emma lie...she used to have a penis. Big deal for a straight guy who thought his female lover for many years, was in fact female (physically).

[PretenderNX01]

Big deal for a straight guy who thought his female lover for many years, was in fact female (physically).

Not if she's had a vajayjay for the whole time he's known her. Some guys don't care as long as it looks like what they want it to look like, some do but some don't. Otherwise all transwomen would be alone or only with bi-guys and that clearly isn't the case in the real world so I don't see it having to be that way in comics.