LGBT+ Marvel Characters Discussion

[NewMutant]

Yeah BUT he has gay porn mags... I mean it's not like someone planted them or merely accused him based on nothing. If I found George Clooney's brief case and inside was nothing but gay porn... surely it is fair to say it is more than speculation? I don't know; I might add him with the "---" over his name (like with Storm and Psylocke).

I took them more a Men's Health magazine.

[Tiamatty]

I took them more a Men's Health magazine.

That's what they looked like to me. Not gay porn, but workout magazines.

Either way, it was a stupid, shitty and mean-spirited joke. It used homosexuality as an insult.

[NewMutant]

That's what they looked like to me. Not gay porn, but workout magazines.

Either way, it was a stupid, shitty and mean-spirited joke. It used homosexuality as an insult.

Agreed. He was just emasculating him in a homophobic fashion. And the dig was more between the writers than the characters.

[Starleafgirl]

What I found interesting in that article is Freedom Ring...which is probably not the best name to give a gay character, in any case.

Yeah, don't even get me started on "Anole."

As mugiwara mentioned, this should better be forgotten, but we have to remember that feeling attraction to more than one gender is a thing. If Frank or any other character whose wife and family was fridged and is later revealed that the character does like the opposite sex, it doesn't mean that he never loved his wife, it could simply mean that the character likes more than one gender but he fell in love with a woman.

Yeah, agreed on both parts, including that it's best forgotten.

Agreed. He was just emasculating him in a homophobic fashion. And the dig was more between the writers than the characters.

So annoyed that editors let this get printed in the first place, really. When did this come out? It doesn't look like that long ago. They really should've known better.

[Tiamatty]

So annoyed that editors let this get printed in the first place, really. When did this come out? It doesn't look like that long ago. They really should've known better.

It came out in 2003. Which was still less enlightened a time than today.

[Starleafgirl]

It came out in 2003. Which was still less enlightened a time than today.

Ahh, I see. Yep. :x

[Kieran_Frost]

He reads the articles? I hear there are good ones in those...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

That sort of destroys the entire Punisher character.
If we make him gay, then his family and kids were all a lie anyway, so why would he be that pissed that all got gunned down?

IF (and I agree with everyone it's best to ignore) Punisher was gay, it's actually REALLY easy to explain/justify. Frank's whole issue with his dead family could be linked to his repressed sexuality. He blames his homosexuality. In his broken mind he feels his "lack of being a man" (in conservative terms, obviously I don't hold with this doctrine) is why he couldn't save them. If he had been str8 he would have magically had the power to protect them "as a true man should." And this repression got to such a boiling point that he just snapped; and now spends his life killing others, because he cannot come to terms with a) his homosexuality, b) the fact gay or straight, it wouldn't have saved him family.

I always hated those petty fights between writers (your character defeated my character in your story? well, my character will humiliate yours), but this one is particulary awful, as it reeks of homophobia.

Mostly I agree, but Bendis' Kitty "rebuttle" to the infamous Alex speech was PRICELESS!!!

Eh, you're sort of being a dick-head here, lol. They're his wife and kids, of course he loved them! Regardless of his sexuality. Especially his kids, man. He might've grown up in a conservative situation where marrying and having kids was just the thing to do. Not everybody feels like they can freely express who they truly are (not that I have to tell anyone that, but just sayin').

[PretenderNX01]

Not that I think Punisher should be LGBT but he could be Bi and repressing his male-loving side since he loves women and therefore can't be gay (like it's the only two choices that happen).
Kieran's theory also works as his self-loathing could lead to blame, maybe was getting a quickie when his family was shot?

But yeah, it looked more like the gay as insult. 2003 was w Bush's first term in office. Seems like a while ago (thankfully)

[Punisher007]

The rumor that I heard (and I don't know if this is completely accurate, so don't quote me on it), was that the Wolverine writer at the time (Frank Tieri I think) was annoyed/upset by how Garth Ennis treated Wolverine in one of his Punisher books, so this might be his "revenge" so to speak. Again, I'm not sure about that, but it'd make some kind of sense.

[Starleafgirl]

IF (and I agree with everyone it's best to ignore) Punisher was gay, it's actually REALLY easy to explain/justify. Frank's whole issue with his dead family could be linked to his repressed sexuality. He blames his homosexuality. In his broken mind he feels his "lack of being a man" (in conservative terms, obviously I don't hold with this doctrine) is why he couldn't save them. If he had been str8 he would have magically had the power to protect them "as a true man should." And this repression got to such a boiling point that he just snapped; and now spends his life killing others, because he cannot come to terms with a) his homosexuality, b) the fact gay or straight, it wouldn't have saved him family.

Aww! So tragic.

Mostly I agree, but Bendis' Kitty "rebuttle" to the infamous Alex speech was PRICELESS!!!

I'm a Bendis-hater, but even I have to admit he's gotten some fantastic trolling on, lol.

LOL! XD

[America / Bucky / Russia]

Is there anything in-issue which definitively states Deadpool and Psylocke are bisexual? Personally, I've always read Deadpool as "straight plus jokey" - and in any case, who WOULD want to have sexuality of any kind with a living cancer? Gerry Duggan apparently said he was omni/pansexual on Twitter but I've never read anything which has supported that. As for the Psylocke issue, I know she had a brief relationship (and sexual relations) with Fantomex's clone, Cluster, in Uncanny X-Force, but I assumed that was a 'one case basis' - as in, she feels affection for male Fantomex, and because of those feelings it doesn't matter that clone Fantomex has all the wrong parts. Maybe someone who's read the issue can correct me and say, nope, she explicitly stated her sexuality as bisexual, but I don't think that is the case.

Why I'm interested in this is I've been preparing to work on a piece of art which incorporates the queer X-Men together - and I'm thinking I might do the same for the Avengers, Golden Age heroes and villains. Will let you know how it turns out and might just show the results! I'm working off the list at the start of the thread, which I assume is as complete as possible. Are the character names in " " to indicate that their sexuality is speculation or a supposition? It could be useful to add to the list, for characters who weren't queer upon inception, a list of the issue where their sexuality was first revealed/hinted at.

[NexusTenebrare]

Is there anything in-issue which definitively states Deadpool and Psylocke are bisexual? Personally, I've always read Deadpool as "straight plus jokey" - and in any case, who WOULD want to have sexuality of any kind with a living cancer? Gerry Duggan apparently said he was omni/pansexual on Twitter but I've never read anything which has supported that.

He made a comment once during Civil War (I think) about Wiccan and Hulkling while fighting them that was vaguely sexual.
But yeah, any such comment from Deadpool always comes off as just a joke. Mostly due to the nature of the character, but still.

[Spider-Chan]

Gerry Duggan apparently said he was omni/pansexual on Twitter but I've never read anything which has supported that.

[Tiamatty]

Is there anything in-issue which definitively states Deadpool and Psylocke are bisexual? Personally, I've always read Deadpool as "straight plus jokey" - and in any case, who WOULD want to have sexuality of any kind with a living cancer? Gerry Duggan apparently said he was omni/pansexual on Twitter but I've never read anything which has supported that. As for the Psylocke issue, I know she had a brief relationship (and sexual relations) with Fantomex's clone, Cluster, in Uncanny X-Force, but I assumed that was a 'one case basis' - as in, she feels affection for male Fantomex, and because of those feelings it doesn't matter that clone Fantomex has all the wrong parts. Maybe someone who's read the issue can correct me and say, nope, she explicitly stated her sexuality as bisexual, but I don't think that is the case.

Nothing's been said on-panel. I currently assume Psylocke to be "straight with an exception." Deadpool, I consider "straight except for jokes about him being gay because implying someone is gay is so totally hilarious."

[America / Bucky / Russia]

Thanks guys. *imagines Deadpool wearing a Jane Foster wig*