View Poll Results: Who is your favourite 616 Marvel LGBT character?

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  • ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]

    26 3.58%
  • BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]

    12 1.65%
  • CULLEN BLOODSTONE

    20 2.75%
  • DAKEN AKIHIRO

    42 5.79%
  • HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]

    35 4.82%
  • KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]

    38 5.23%
  • KAROLINA DEAN

    42 5.79%
  • LOKI LAUFEYSON, God of Mischief

    60 8.26%
  • MOONDRAGON [Heather Douglas]

    38 5.23%
  • MYSTIQUE [Raven Darkholme]

    107 14.74%
  • NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]

    59 8.13%
  • PRODIGY [David Alleyne]

    21 2.89%
  • RICTOR [Julio Esteban Ricter]

    35 4.82%
  • SHATTERSTAR [Gaveedra-7]

    44 6.06%
  • WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan], the Demiurge

    147 20.25%
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    Oh, I saw this a few days ago and totally forgot to post it here. We have our first look at animated America Chavez in action on this Marvel Rising music video:



    My favorite part is when she stomps on the ground and you can see the shape of her signature star.

    Also, I read on Twitter a while back that it was confirmed during SDCC that she was going to be gay in the animation. Not sure if this checks out, but great to hear if it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnito View Post
    Am I the only one that hates Nico and Karolina together. I knew this was coming but I'm still not happy about it.
    You are not the only one. I find it extremely forced because of the tv series synergy. I'm honestly more happy for the potential new straight relationship that appear in this week's issue than in any Nicolina ship. It was less forced and was more natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnrevenge View Post
    You are not the only one. I find it extremely forced because of the tv series synergy. I'm honestly more happy for the potential new straight relationship that appear in this week's issue than in any Nicolina ship. It was less forced and was more natural.
    With respect and admiration, I'd like to comment on the synergy thing.
    Just my two cents but, despite my protestation of their relationship (in the book) and my just over all disapproval I really do attribute, whole heartedly, this "union" to the very simple answer of: Rainbow and Kris. Both are long time fans of the series with very strong opinions on that pairing and they.... well they got what they wanted. I'm happy they're happy but I still don't back it. Perhaps in time they'll win me over but as it stands, I think Nico is a mess and Karolina deserves something not so messy.
    I don't buy that it has anything to do with tv synergy. The creative team for the book has even gone on record stating that neither of them are following the tv show, for fear of it influencing their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnrevenge View Post
    You are not the only one. I find it extremely forced because of the tv series synergy. I'm honestly more happy for the potential new straight relationship that appear in this week's issue than in any Nicolina ship. It was less forced and was more natural.
    Lmao. Of course haters are gonna be saying this... Rowell has been building up this since the beginning of the run. When they meet again on #3 the feelings are super obvious, on #5 Nico already tried to kissed her. Those issues were out before/while the show was airing, and obviously were already planned months in advance. Rowell has said it was part of her original pitch. If this series was all about TV synergy why would they have Victor/Gert instead of GertChase going back together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fokken View Post
    I don't buy that it has anything to do with tv synergy. The creative team for the book has even gone on record stating that neither of them are following the tv show, for fear of it influencing their work.
    Not to mention the fact that the whole Nico/Karolina thing as a potential relationship predates the tv show. The subtext that Nico might actually have feelings for Karolina but wasn't ready to admit them yet started back in the original creative team's run. Its not like the tv show conjured the concept out of thin air and now the comic is copying them. If anything, its the other way around....

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    I think it's forced as well. It may have been in her original pitch, but that doesnt make it less forced.

    Still, better a visible relationship than the one she and Julie Power had, where we only saw it briefly the one time a year they showed up somewhere together.
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    I just can't see that. When compared to basically any other relationship found in the book's history Karolina, and Nico's relationship (if we're not jumping the gun on that) is the only one that has had much in the way of any solid build up. It's certainly the only one where one character was clearly interested in the other before just jumping into making out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Personamanx View Post
    I just can't see that. When compared to basically any other relationship found in the book's history Karolina, and Nico's relationship (if we're not jumping the gun on that) is the only one that has had much in the way of any solid build up. It's certainly the only one where one character was clearly interested in the other before just jumping into making out.
    While I don't think the relationship was forced, I also don't feel like there was all that much of a solid build up to it before this book, tbh. There was a big space between the original BKV run and Rowell's run, and during all that time, I don't feel like any writer made a good job at convincing the audience Nico was into Karolina until Rowell came along and gave it a little nudge. I, personally, was never under that impression up until this book. I believe that might be the reason why some people feel like it's forced; it's not the kind of development that was on everyone's radar, and I know a lot of people have only started to see Nico as queer because of the TV show (which also explains why some people think of synergy, even though I don't believe it is based on what the creative team has said about it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    While I don't think the relationship was forced, I also don't feel like there was all that much of a solid build up to it before this book, tbh. There was a big space between the original BKV run and Rowell's run, and during all that time, I don't feel like any writer made a good job at convincing the audience Nico was into Karolina until Rowell came along and gave it a little nudge. I, personally, was never under that impression up until this book. I believe that might be the reason why some people feel like it's forced; it's not the kind of development that was on everyone's radar, and I know a lot of people have only started to see Nico as queer because of the TV show (which also explains why some people think of synergy, even though I don't believe it is based on what the creative team has said about it).
    I suppose it would depend on what one considers build up. Personally I think Nico being interested in Karolina was a possibility for the same reasons Karolina did. The hand holding, the near constant praise, and the swearing off boys. None of those things are necessarily indicative of anything more than friendship but it's not hard to read into. Nico's reaction to Karolina's interest was largely surprise, and uncertainty as to how she felt. I think Nico's "I don't know" opened up the possibility then, and there. That's not even getting into their interactions after she returns from space with Xavin.

    Don't get me wrong, it's largely an interpretation of character interaction. But as Runaways has never* been a book to give an exact idea as to what a character is feeling/thinking, interpretation is important. It's not a Chris Claremont book after all.

    Honestly, I would have been fine if they chose not to run with it in the new series but I just thought this was well executed. I have no idea where it's headed, but I have complete confidence in the fact that it will be a satisfying read.

    *By which I mean prior to the current volume. Rowell's third person captioning in every issue have been fairly omniscient in regards to how the characters are feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    While I don't think the relationship was forced, I also don't feel like there was all that much of a solid build up to it before this book, tbh. There was a big space between the original BKV run and Rowell's run, and during all that time, I don't feel like any writer made a good job at convincing the audience Nico was into Karolina until Rowell came along and gave it a little nudge. I, personally, was never under that impression up until this book. I believe that might be the reason why some people feel like it's forced; it's not the kind of development that was on everyone's radar, and I know a lot of people have only started to see Nico as queer because of the TV show (which also explains why some people think of synergy, even though I don't believe it is based on what the creative team has said about it).
    No, the real reason people think it's forced it's because they ship Karolina and/or Nico with other people, plain and simple tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    Also, I read on Twitter a while back that it was confirmed during SDCC that she was going to be gay in the animation. Not sure if this checks out, but great to hear if it does.
    It would be nice to see a gay character in a Marvel cartoon have their sexuality actually acknowledged (looking at you Max Modell, Ja Kyree, and Phyla-Vell).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Personamanx View Post
    I suppose it would depend on what one considers build up. Personally I think Nico being interested in Karolina was a possibility for the same reasons Karolina did. The hand holding, the near constant praise, and the swearing off boys. None of those things are necessarily indicative of anything more than friendship but it's not hard to read into. Nico's reaction to Karolina's interest was largely surprise, and uncertainty as to how she felt. I think Nico's "I don't know" opened up the possibility then, and there. That's not even getting into their interactions after she returns from space with Xavin.

    Don't get me wrong, it's largely an interpretation of character interaction. But as Runaways has never* been a book to give an exact idea as to what a character is feeling/thinking, interpretation is important. It's not a Chris Claremont book after all.

    Honestly, I would have been fine if they chose not to run with it in the new series but I just thought this was well executed. I have no idea where it's headed, but I have complete confidence in the fact that it will be a satisfying read.

    *By which I mean prior to the current volume. Rowell's third person captioning in every issue have been fairly omniscient in regards to how the characters are feeling.
    We can agree on that one: everything comes down to interpretation. I guess the reason why I never particularly interpreted Nico feeling attracted to Karolina was because the way she acted towards her was not different at all from the way a lot of straight girls act towards their girl friends. Girls tend to be a lot more open-minded when it comes to showing affection for each other, so Nico just being affectionate towards Karolina didn't exactly register on my gaydar, and that's where I blame previous writers, as I think they could've done a more substantial job at portraying her feelings. I wasn't shocked when Rainbow went there, though, 'cause I've been in fandom long enough to have that possibility in the back of my mind, even though I didn't particularly see it myself. Anyway, none of that past stuff matters anyway, 'cause the cat's out of the bag now and I'm glad we have another character to add to our LGBTQ list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    No, the real reason people think it's forced it's because they ship Karolina and/or Nico with other people, plain and simple tbh.
    Well, that's why I said ''some people''. I realize some people are solely motivated by shipping reasons, but I do think some people genuinely were taken by surprise because they thought that story ''came out of nowhere''. Significant changes and revelations about existing characters will always be polarizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    Well, that's why I said ''some people''. I realize some people are solely motivated by shipping reasons, but I do think some people genuinely were taken by surprise because they thought that story ''came out of nowhere''. Significant changes and revelations about existing characters will always be polarizing.
    People who don't care about LGBT representation or don't want for it to exist? Sure, they're always gonna think it's out of nowhere, unless the character was quickly established as LGBT on their first years. But people who care and want that, like most on this thread? I really really doubt it has really much to do with anything but shipping Karolina with Xavin or Julie instead(and there's that one weirdo Alex/Nico stan, but he doesn't actually post here lol).

    What can even be considered "out of nowhere"? If that means simply "those characters have been here for some years and have interacted without being a couple", isn't like... Most couples/ships in comics "out of nowhere"? Some people don't like the ship, sure, fair. Maybe they prefer other ships, or they don't like how their story was written, or they don't like one of the characters individually. I won't agree with it, yeah, but I can understand/respect it. But stuff like "forced", "synergy", "makes no sense" feels like just such generic bullshit to act like what you prefer is more valid on some sort of technical/objective level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    People who don't care about LGBT representation or don't want for it to exist? Sure, they're always gonna think it's out of nowhere, unless the character was quickly established as LGBT on their first years. But people who care and want that, like most on this thread? I really really doubt it has really much to do with anything but shipping Karolina with Xavin or Julie instead(and there's that one weirdo Alex/Nico stan, but he doesn't actually post here lol).

    What can even be considered "out of nowhere"? If that means simply "those characters have been here for some years and have interacted without being a couple", isn't like... Most couples/ships in comics "out of nowhere"? Some people don't like the ship, sure, fair. Maybe they prefer other ships, or they don't like how their story was written, or they don't like one of the characters individually. I won't agree with it, yeah, but I can understand/respect it. But stuff like "forced", "synergy", "makes no sense" feels like just such generic bullshit to act like what you prefer is more valid on some sort of technical/objective level.
    Well, I can't speak for everyone in the fandom, so if anyone who hates the pairing wants to elaborate on why, be my guest.

    As for ''out of nowhere'', I actually think it's not that different from instances we had with Nico in the past. I'm sure a lot of people thought Nico/Chase, Nico/Victor and even Nico/ressurrected Alex was ''out of nowhere'' and disliked the idea because it didn't make sense for them. I think Nico's bad history with romantic relationships doesn't exactly help some people see any new relationship for her in a good light.

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    Nico's kind of a hot mess, and has pretty much always been desperate to be loved, so I'm more interested in how the (inevitable?) breakup is going to affect the group dynamic.

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