View Poll Results: Who is your favourite 616 Marvel LGBT character?

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  • ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]

    26 3.53%
  • BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]

    12 1.63%
  • CULLEN BLOODSTONE

    20 2.71%
  • DAKEN AKIHIRO

    42 5.70%
  • HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]

    35 4.75%
  • KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]

    40 5.43%
  • KAROLINA DEAN

    43 5.83%
  • LOKI LAUFEYSON, God of Mischief

    62 8.41%
  • MOONDRAGON [Heather Douglas]

    38 5.16%
  • MYSTIQUE [Raven Darkholme]

    108 14.65%
  • NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]

    60 8.14%
  • PRODIGY [David Alleyne]

    21 2.85%
  • RICTOR [Julio Esteban Ricter]

    36 4.88%
  • SHATTERSTAR [Gaveedra-7]

    46 6.24%
  • WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan], the Demiurge

    148 20.08%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    I think the best thing about his is that now we can actually count Noh-Varr as LGBT. I know a lot of people already did but "I experimented on some ships" for a jokey scene didn't really do it for me. (And, well... The Fuse/Noh-Varr pairing is very, hmm... Aesthetically pleasing for me. Too bad there's not enough fans of this book to make some good fanart).
    Yeah, I'm glad about that too. I mean, we technically didn't get him saying he was something other than straight, but I think it's a lot more implied there than it was back in Young Avengers. Speaking of Gillen's run... it's kinda funny how the Johnny/Noh-Varr pairing physically looks like David/Tommy, who shared a kiss in YA (and then another one on that Secret Wars AU). People already mistake Noh and Tommy for each other enough as it is, so why the hell not complicate things even further? LOL

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    It's not a proper day on Wiccling fandom if we're not appreaciating some cris-art work, amirite?

    And I hope more fanartists start to draw them with their Death's Head looks once the book comes out. I really love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    I think the best thing about his is that now we can actually count Noh-Varr as LGBT. I know a lot of people already did but "I experimented on some ships" for a jokey scene didn't really do it for me. (And, well... The Fuse/Noh-Varr pairing is very, hmm... Aesthetically pleasing for me. Too bad there's not enough fans of this book to make some good fanart).
    Plus the Gillen scene gave straight!Noh-Varr fans enough plausible deniability when it came to actually counting him as not-straight. Though, I think I’m getting too greedy because this is also the second time they’ve indirectly mentioned Tommy not being straight but I never know if the creators have him in mind when they do it. First, it was the “am I the only straight one on the team?” and now Kate’s “wait. have I ever dated anyone straight?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycon View Post
    Plus the Gillen scene gave straight!Noh-Varr fans enough plausible deniability when it came to actually counting him as not-straight. Though, I think I’m getting too greedy because this is also the second time they’ve indirectly mentioned Tommy not being straight but I never know if the creators have him in mind when they do it. First, it was the “am I the only straight one on the team?” and now Kate’s “wait. have I ever dated anyone straight?”
    To be fair, the last time he appeared in a comic he was literally counted as LGBTQ+ by the author. I hold on to hope he'll officially come out soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimz View Post
    After having read another article some time back, I wonder how much Japan and Japanese Anime and such should really be looked at as a positive with regards to representation. That article I read back then kinda highlighted a lot of toxic LGBTQA practices that are perpetuated in some of their media (Queer as fetishization, justified Bastard Boyfriends, etc.). Also, from what I understand, there might (be or have been, not sure) a "it's just a phase/it's practice for 'real' relationships" mentality among depictions and tolerance.

    So I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Guy View Post
    After having read another article some time back, I wonder how much Japan and Japanese Anime and such should really be looked at as a positive with regards to representation. That article kinda highlighted a lot of toxic LGBTQA practices that are perpetuated in some of their media (Queer as fetishization, justified Bastard Boyfriends, etc.). Also, from what I understand, there might (be or have been, not sure) a "it's just a phase/it's practice for 'real' relationships" mentality among depictions and tolerance.

    So I don't know.
    Yeah, I love anime, but that article is a big pile of nonsense. There are some good LGBT representations in anime, but they're few and far between.
    The idea that Japan is lightyears ahead of the west in that regard is frankly deluded and the author of that piece clearly has some rose-tinted glasses on when it comes to anime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndersonHoran View Post
    There's a trans character in the new season of Jessica Jones.
    https://inews.co.uk/culture/televisi...ans-narrative/
    Having just finished the series, I dont think it is ever mentioned, like, at all. Though I might have just missed it.

    Sadly, I found the series to be bloated and over long, and just a cliched and disappointing mess, so i have to admit I tuned out the last few episodes outside of the big moments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    Yeah, I'm glad about that too. I mean, we technically didn't get him saying he was something other than straight, but I think it's a lot more implied there than it was back in Young Avengers.
    Actually, he technically did say he was something other than straight. When Kate asked if she had ever dated anyone straight, he was one of the people who said "no". Since he is one of the people she has dated, that is him explicitly saying he is not straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NexusTenebrare View Post
    Yeah, I love anime, but that article is a big pile of nonsense. There are some good LGBT representations in anime, but they're few and far between.
    The idea that Japan is lightyears ahead of the west in that regard is frankly deluded
    and the author of that piece clearly has some rose-tinted glasses on when it comes to anime.
    Agreed, especially the bold. For example, quite a bit of the representation comes from Women Manga writers writing Boy's Love and Shonen-Ai stuff and so on. And not to say that there's something wrong with that on a fundamental level, but there is often-times a bias behind the decision to do so, and it won't guarantee a nuanced portrayal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NexusTenebrare View Post
    Yeah, I love anime, but that article is a big pile of nonsense. There are some good LGBT representations in anime, but they're few and far between.
    The idea that Japan is lightyears ahead of the west in that regard is frankly deluded and the author of that piece clearly has some rose-tinted glasses on when it comes to anime.
    This is a major problem in the anime community, where they believe that Japan is so great about tolerance and that anime has all these great gay characters. Don't get me wrong, I do think we have a few things to thank anime for, I do think it was a factor in normalizing the idea of gay relationships in the West, but it was but one of many.

    And we do see too many female writers and artists basically using gay relationships to explore their fetishes. I know this because I am one of these women. What I do is fine so long as I remember that it is a fetish, it is basically porn, a fantasy. The issue is when you have people who can't tell the difference between that and real positive representation. We simply need more LGBTQ writers and artists and editors.

    Also, freaking Naruto's Orochimaru. Ever since Boruto came out and Orochimaru was "out" as being nonbinary, it's like certain fans have forgotten that Orochimaru was not only a horrific monster and implied pedophile, their gender nonconformity and implied homosexuality were negative traits used to show how weird they were.

    Oddly, as the years have gone on, Orochimaru's nonbinary status has actually become something that was used to humanize them. The same for their son, Mitsuki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Guy View Post
    Agreed, especially the bold. For example, quite a bit of the representation comes from Women Manga writers writing Boy's Love and Shonen-Ai stuff and so on. And not to say that there's something wrong with that on a fundamental level, but there is often-times a bias behind the decision to do so, and it won't guarantee a nuanced portrayal.
    And, well, I think western readers of manga tend to really have an outsized view of how mainstream their favorite manga publications are. The format as a whole is very mainstream, but a lot of the stuff with queer content is very niche. Even if its a big seller, it's often still seen as being part of a atypical sub-culture. Makes me think of how many Western manga/anime fans would label themselves quite willingly as otaku, not understanding that its very much a derogatory term.

    Historically, Japan's attitudes towards homosexuality have been... well, not one to one with the Western. Which is to say, from what I have been taught, demonization of specifically male homosexuality there actually derived from Western influence, but, it was largely sanctioned only under the circumstances of a man having an affair outside a hetero marriage. From what I understand, that's more or less how it is nowadays as well, a sort of don't-ask-don't-tell scenario where as long as you're still carrying on the bloodline and not making public waves, people won't give you much trouble. You can see a very, very early example of this pop up subtly way back in the Tale of Genji, which is 1000 years old, and a good modern example is the author/actor/model/nationalist leader Mishima Yukio. I think women have been out of luck all the way through though.

    I should note that I'm far from an expert on the subject, and only really know what's come up in relation to my studies of Japanese literature, primarily pre-modern and modern, not contemporary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Guy View Post
    After having read another article some time back, I wonder how much Japan and Japanese Anime and such should really be looked at as a positive with regards to representation. That article I read back then kinda highlighted a lot of toxic LGBTQA practices that are perpetuated in some of their media (Queer as fetishization, justified Bastard Boyfriends, etc.). Also, from what I understand, there might (be or have been, not sure) a "it's just a phase/it's practice for 'real' relationships" mentality among depictions and tolerance.

    So I don't know.
    To fair be that's a problem with girl's manga, even the most famous ones have issues with toxic relationships in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpyshark View Post
    Oh heck I thought that was Jubilee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvermoth View Post
    Oh heck I thought that was Jubilee!
    With stubble? And sideburns?

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