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  • ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]

    27 3.53%
  • BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]

    12 1.57%
  • CULLEN BLOODSTONE

    20 2.62%
  • DAKEN AKIHIRO

    44 5.76%
  • HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]

    41 5.37%
  • KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]

    41 5.37%
  • KAROLINA DEAN

    43 5.63%
  • LOKI LAUFEYSON, God of Mischief

    66 8.64%
  • MOONDRAGON [Heather Douglas]

    39 5.10%
  • MYSTIQUE [Raven Darkholme]

    112 14.66%
  • NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]

    60 7.85%
  • PRODIGY [David Alleyne]

    21 2.75%
  • RICTOR [Julio Esteban Ricter]

    38 4.97%
  • SHATTERSTAR [Gaveedra-7]

    47 6.15%
  • WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan], the Demiurge

    153 20.03%
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfMagnetism View Post



    We know from a casting report that they were looking for a gay or bisexual Asian actor to play the role of the gay character and they were considering Conrad Ricamora. Instead they ended up hiring Brian Tyree Henry and because Phastos was the only black Eternal in the comics it made sense to make his character Phastos.
    Phastos is not the only black Eternal of the main group.
    Legba and Titanis are black too.


    Titanis (Earth-616)
    https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Titanis_(Earth-616)

    Legba (Eternal) (Earth-616)
    https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Legba...al)_(Earth-616)


    Of course there are background eternals of varied races including blacks.
    Last edited by mace11; 12-17-2019 at 08:50 AM.

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    Exactly. This is a part of the reason why I think Ikaris was originally supposed to be the gay character and Marvel got cold feet and passed the gay role along to a minor character.
    Here is list of the 616 main eternals appearances by the way.


    Ajak
    47 Appearances of Ajak (Earth-616)
    1 Minor Appearances of Ajak (Earth-616)


    Sprite
    32 Appearances of Sprite (Eternal) (Earth-616)

    Azura
    104 Appearances of Azura (Earth-616)
    2 Minor Appearances of Azura (Earth-616)

    Uranos
    8 Appearances of Uranos (Earth-616)

    Valkin
    19 Appearances of Valkin (Earth-616)

    Eros
    228 Appearances of Eros (Earth-616)
    20 Minor Appearances of Eros (Earth-616)

    Sersi
    248 Appearances of Sersi (Earth-616)
    5 Minor Appearances of Sersi (Earth-616)


    Ikaris
    115 Appearances of Ikaris (Eternal) (Earth-616)
    5 Minor Appearances of Ikaris (Eternal) (Earth-616)


    Kingo Sunen
    20 Appearances of Kingo Sunen (Earth-616)

    Sui-San
    12 Appearances of Sui-San (Earth-616)
    8 Minor Appearances of Sui-San (Earth-616)

    Kronos
    28 Appearances of Kronos (Eternal) (Earth-616)
    6 Minor Appearances of Kronos (Eternal) (Earth-616)

    Legba
    11 Appearances of Legba (Eternal) (Earth-616)

    Makkari
    140 Appearances of Makkari (Earth-616)
    4 Minor Appearances of Makkari (Earth-616)


    Phastos
    34 Appearances of Phastos (Earth-616)

    Pixie
    34 Appearances of Phastos (Earth-616)


    Vampiro
    6 Appearances of Vampiro (Eternal) (Earth-616)

    Zuras
    66 Appearances of Zuras (Earth-616)
    3 Minor Appearances of Zuras (Earth-616)


    A'Lars
    Unknown


    Eternals (Homo immortalis)
    Representatives: Ajak, Ikaris, Kingo Sunen, Kronos (Chronos), Legba, Makkari, Mentor (A'Lars), Phastos, Pixie, Sersi, Sui-San, Sprite, Starfox (Eros), Thanos, Thena, Uranos, Valkin, El Vampiro, Zuras, among many others.
    https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Categ...rnals_of_Earth

    So Phastos is not a minor character compared to average Eternal.
    He is the not at very top the main ones but he still major character.
    Ajak 616 appearances are not that much higher then his and Ajak in the movie will be the leader.
    Ikaris and Thena(Azura) each have less then 150 appearances in the 616 marvel universe and have been around since the 1970's.

    The first photos or most of them had Phastos in all the scenes so i think he will be a major enough player in the movie.
    I think his role will be bigger then you think.
    Last edited by mace11; 12-17-2019 at 10:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    I wonder if Brian Tyree Henry had to work out at all for the role? 'Cause I've seen pictures of all male cast members at this point regarding getting in shape for the role, except for him. God, I'll be so disappointed if the gay character is the only one who's not allowed to be a thirst trap.
    Errr I think he's pretty cute helluva lot cuter than the that Renard Hawkeye dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    Brian Tyree Henry is damn fine, so I confess this discourse is funny to me. But of course it not being the thin blonde guy is gonna upset people, I guess. Hollywood usually likes a very specific type of gay man.
    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    Errr I think he's pretty cute helluva lot cuter than the that Renard Hawkeye dude
    Again, my point is not that Brian can't be considered attractive, but if the movie will be willing to show him as such, based on how people outside of beauty standards are treated in those big blockbuster movies. And I would hate to think that the reason they chose him to be the gay character is because they knew he would be less ''sexualized'' in comparison to other characters. I would love to be wrong about this and see his character be treated with the same depth and sex appeal any other straight character has if he is indeed the gay character, but yeah, I can't pretend there aren't some double standards in the industry that concern me.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge View Post
    On top of that, we're not getting the 'gay lead' they kept promising. We're getting a secondary character at best.
    They're trying to make him as 'safe' for the fragile heterosexual types as possible.
    To be fair, Marvel never promised anything. Every piece of news we got from the Eternals casting came from secondary sources. Also, I think it's possible there was a misunderstanding as to what ''lead'' meant in this particular case. A lead role doesn't always translate to ''the main protagonist''. In an ensemble cast like Eternals, lead can usually refer to the core, top billing group of the story, so the leads of this particular film would be the 10 Eternals that were announced on SDCC and D-23. The gay character's husband, for instance, may not be a lead because it doesn't seem like he is among this group, and he's likely a smaller character compared to the gay character himself. In this context, Phastos may not be one of the main protagonists, but it's not inaccurate to say he is one of the leads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    Again, my point is not that Brian can't be considered attractive, but if the movie will be willing to show him as such, based on how people outside of beauty standards are treated in those big blockbuster movies. And I would hate to think that the reason they chose him to be the gay character is because they knew he would be less ''sexualized'' in comparison to other characters. I would love to be wrong about this and see his character be treated with the same depth and sex appeal any other straight character has if he is indeed the gay character, but yeah, I can't pretend there aren't some double standards in the industry that concern me.
    There's other duplicitous reasons that Brian might not be get the same hype as the other actors. Not fitting the publics idea of hot gay isnt the most pressing one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    To be fair, Marvel never promised anything. Every piece of news we got from the Eternals casting came from secondary sources. Also, I think it's possible there was a misunderstanding as to what ''lead'' meant in this particular case. A lead role doesn't always translate to ''the main protagonist''. In an ensemble cast like Eternals, lead can usually refer to the core, top billing group of the story, so the leads of this particular film would be the 10 Eternals that were announced on SDCC and D-23. The gay character's husband, for instance, may not be a lead because it doesn't seem like he is among this group, and he's likely a smaller character compared to the gay character himself. In this context, Phastos may not be one of the main protagonists, but it's not inaccurate to say he is one of the leads.
    I just mean I'd like one where the gay character is the main protag and not just part of an ensemble. Because as much as they try to make it a 'group' story, it always ends up focusing on 1-2 people. Like Guardians of the Galaxy. They can claim its an ensemble, but its pretty much the 'Star-Lord and Gamora' series with other people playing support and I think its likely similar will happen with Eternals. I'm worried whatever gay character we might get will just be there for comic relief, just stand around while others do stuff, or just be 'the tech guy' with no major impact on the actual story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NexusTenebrare View Post
    It's beyond ridiculous not to notice the fact that every single heroic character in the MCU movies is ridiculously muscular (even that Kumail guy) and then the first actual gay character they include is the only one who deviates from that norm.
    And I'd say it's beyond ridiculous to pretend that conventionally attractive white boys are somehow not the default representation of gay men in media, so I guess we're at an impasse.

    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    There's other duplicitous reasons that Brian might not be get the same hype as the other actors. Not fitting the publics idea of hot gay isnt the most pressing one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    And I'd say it's beyond ridiculous to pretend that conventionally attractive white boys are somehow not the default representation of gay men in media, so I guess we're at an impasse.
    Nicely done cutting off the part of my reply where a ripped black guy would've been just as good as 'conventionally attractive white boys'. It's not about race (for some of us anyway), but about the conventionally attractive part. Why shouldn't the gay character fit that particular mold? Why should they be othered. And like it or not. Mass appeal is still a thing to strive for. Just because you might have a thing for overweight guys, doesn't change the reality that most people regardless of gender, race, etc. prefer to see decently muscular people in their superhero movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NexusTenebrare View Post
    It's not about race
    Yeah, my experiences in the community have me very suspect of that, as has the pushback on here. Slim white dudes make up the majority of the MLM characters at Marvel and DC, so this ain't exactly bothering me that we're getting something different. And if you can't feel yourself represented by that, imagine how some fans of color feel about the decidedly milky state of the gay side of Marvel and DC (ironically the lesbian side has a decent amount of WOC).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    Yeah, my experiences in the community have me very suspect of that, as has the pushback on here. Slim white dudes make up the majority of the MLM characters at Marvel and DC, so this ain't exactly bothering me that we're getting something different. And if you can't feel yourself represented by that, imagine how some fans of color feel about the decidedly milky state of the gay side of Marvel and DC (ironically the lesbian side has a decent amount of WOC).
    I mean ....

    But
    Sooooo many boys were thirsting, and sleuthing for the gay characters identity. Fell off preeeeety hard now
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    NGL, I was hoping it would be Don Lee, even though the odds were a million to one against. Dude's charismatic as hell. But Brian Tyree Henry is nothing to sneeze at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    There's other duplicitous reasons that Brian might not be get the same hype as the other actors. Not fitting the publics idea of hot gay isnt the most pressing one
    I hear you, but I'm not trying to say him being black is not a part of the issue. If anything, I think it all adds up. Being a queer, black and overweight man in a blockbuster movie is enough intersectionality to make me wonder how exactly this character is going to be portrayed in the bigger picture. My perspective is: if Jude Law playing Dumbledore couldn't be a satisfying queer representation, what are the odds that Phastos is going to be, being a less known character, played by a less known actor who's also black and overweight? I wish I wasn't this cynical, but it's not like Marvel has given me reason to believe they're going to break the mold when our only queer representation in a Marvel movie ever was Joe Russo playing an unnamed character.

    Anyway, I'm gonna try not to sound like a buzzkill. I AM actually excited for the movie and I'll happily support whoever turns out to be the gay character. It may not be the best representation, but at least it's something. Baby steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge View Post
    I just mean I'd like one where the gay character is the main protag and not just part of an ensemble. Because as much as they try to make it a 'group' story, it always ends up focusing on 1-2 people. Like Guardians of the Galaxy. They can claim its an ensemble, but its pretty much the 'Star-Lord and Gamora' series with other people playing support and I think its likely similar will happen with Eternals. I'm worried whatever gay character we might get will just be there for comic relief, just stand around while others do stuff, or just be 'the tech guy' with no major impact on the actual story.
    I get that and I agree that we deserve an LGBTQ protagonist. I'm just saying that in this particular movie, it wasn't really clear if the gay lead was ever going to be the protagonist. I think it was mostly the fans building their hopes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    Yeah, my experiences in the community have me very suspect of that, as has the pushback on here. Slim white dudes make up the majority of the MLM characters at Marvel and DC, so this ain't exactly bothering me that we're getting something different. And if you can't feel yourself represented by that, imagine how some fans of color feel about the decidedly milky state of the gay side of Marvel and DC (ironically the lesbian side has a decent amount of WOC).
    What decidedly milky state? Unless you're from the future, we haven't had any gay side over at Marvel. Black, white or otherwise. Unless you count the one lesbian in the TV show Marvel cancelled and would rather forget about now that they have their own streaming service.
    As it stands the first gay character in a Marvel movie is most likely going to be a black man and you still act like you're being hard done by.
    Or if you want to talk about the DC side of things. Who is the most prominent male gay character? I believe it's Curtis Holt on Arrow. Who is... another black man.
    But yeah, black gay males are at a real disadventage compared to the 'milky' white guys in superhero TV and movies. Being the only prominent ones that is.

    BTW I'd personally prefer to see a gay asian character. I feel there are far fewer of those than either black or white in media.
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    Disappointed the gay character is a committed boring old dude. No drama there outside a fridging for someone, which seems unlikely in an MCU movie, so essentially just screen filler and unlikely to be a key part of the film.
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