SAGE: Assess, Plan, Act

[donpricetag]

Not to hijack, but one of my dreams for the character was for her to included in Gambit's story. If you read his Asmus solo you know he's the head of the international thieves guild. But being that he earned the position via trial by fire, he was surrounded by people he didn't know or trust. I figured if the story we're developed he'd eventually form his own inner circle of friends and X-Men (who was familiar with) that had more dubious nature's and less of a role with the main teams characters like; Frenzy, Hellion and yes, Sage.

They always had a weird tension between them when Claremont wrote their interactions. When she jump started his powers, she seemed to enjoy it bit too much. There was that weird cover with him handing her a card and then when they briefly came together during the Xtreme X-Men (vol.2)/ Astonishing X-Men/ AoA crossover she flirted him in the middle of battle.

Sage is a character like Forge, Mr Nemesis, Cypher, and Cecelia Reyes. Even if she's not front and center she should always be around running logistics or some other type of support instead of giving utilized characters skills they don't need like instant computer hacking abilities.

[AbnormallyNormal]

Not to hijack, but one of my dreams for the character was for her to included in Gambit's story. If you read his Asmus solo you know he's the head of the international thieves guild. But being that he earned the position via trial by fire, he was surrounded by people he didn't know or trust. I figured if the story we're developed he'd eventually form his own inner circle of friends and X-Men (who was familiar with) that had more dubious nature's and less of a role with the main teams characters like; Frenzy, Hellion and yes, Sage.

They always had a weird tension between them when Claremont wrote their interactions. When she jump started his powers, she seemed to enjoy it bit too much. There was that weird cover with him handing her a card and then when they briefly came together during the Xtreme X-Men (vol.2)/ Astonishing X-Men/ AoA crossover she flirted him in the middle of battle.

Sage is a character like Forge, Mr Nemesis, Cypher, and Cecelia Reyes. Even if she's not front and center she should always be around running logistics or some other type of support instead of giving utilized characters skills they don't need like instant computer hacking abilities.

I agree. Don't forget about Box too. The whole Science Club is ridiculously overpowered almost and it's nuts how little they get used. Although apparently in XMEN RED, Forge is now mind slave of Cassandra Nova.

I think we can sort of headcanon it that the members of the Science Club are indeed always around in the background doing behind the scenes stuff I guess but it'd be cool to have them shown off some

[donpricetag]

I agree. Don't forget about Box too. The whole Science Club is ridiculously overpowered almost and it's nuts how little they get used. Although apparently in XMEN RED, Forge is now mind slave of Cassandra Nova.

I think we can sort of headcanon it that the members of the Science Club are indeed always around in the background doing behind the scenes stuff I guess but it'd be cool to have them shown off some

But that's the thing, right? We have to use head cannon to make their world function. It takes, what? A couple panels or some background art to plug a giant plothole? There is no reason for their to be so many characters in the X-Men mythos but we only ever see 15 of them. Several used in more than one book. The fact that they are still using this mutant school story makes it easier to at least give less used characters like Sage, a living computer in a world where 85% or more of all our knowledge is digitally based. Or the fact that the X-Men are beaten up constantly. It takes a single word bubble for someone to tell a X-Man to "Go see Reyes and get patched up" or tap on a comm and ask Sage to remotely open or doctor some credentials etc. Little things. You'd think it be harder to utilize several versions of Wolverine than to give a character like Sage true function away from a panel. Sage should be every books "6th man". The world's most logical MacGuffin.

[Omegarogue]

It's just that Sage looks like it was Claremont's big failed project.

I wanted to turn it into a Claremazon and repeat the success for making it an A-list that I achieve with Rogue Storm and Psylocke, and to a lesser extent with Rachel Dazzler.

I do not name Kitty because Claremont did not really spend much time with Kitty, compared to the other X-girls.

But with Sage it seems that he did not want to give up, and he wanted yes or yes, to make it popular among fans and writers like the rest of his claremazons, if you look at practically all the books that gave Claremont in 616 he tried to promote to Sage, even in Exiles. but he do not succeed with Sage.

Hey, I love Sage, but one of the reasons why Sage is in limbo is precisely because of Claremont's guilt, his personality is difficult to define, and the character itself.

Actually he ended up turning her into a Mary-Sue, one day Sage had the brain of a computer and had the memory of a super computer and that, another day was also a low level telepath, another day she could scan the mutants and detect it, another day could take a leap and give the total evolution of the powers of said mutant, or activate the latent capacities in its genome ,,,, and another day until she was able to cure the blindness (Gambit) WTF ,,, or to return the powers to the depowered ones, that nowadays Sage would be extremely useful XD, besides that apparently also it could change of form ????? she transformed into the appearance of Rogue, WTHell, and without counting that with her super computer memory she was a kind of Prodigi specialist in various forms of hand-to-hand combat, when in the past she was more than proven that she did not know how to give a hit.

And finally all the knowledge of the crystal palace, this was the last straw, luckily in XtremeXM vol2 or 3 I do not know, the one who led the dazzler, because they omitted the knowledge of the crystal palace, in fact they omitted almost all the powers random that Claremont gave her.


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I believe that she has the potential to be a great character, but she must be established by someone more neutral with Sage, not Claremont, who more than well did her character badly.

[Tarantino]

Does Sage remind anyone from Phoebe from friends

[Havok83]

It's just that Sage looks like it was Claremont's big failed project.

I wanted to turn it into a Claremazon and repeat the success for making it an A-list that I achieve with Rogue Storm and Psylocke, and to a lesser extent with Rachel Dazzler.

I do not name Kitty because Claremont did not really spend much time with Kitty, compared to the other X-girls.

Not in more recent history but Claremont spent more time with Kitty than all those women you listed except Storm in the 80s when he popularized all of them

Does Sage remind anyone from Phoebe from friends

No.

[lurkerforyears]

I think the best thing for Sage would be having her in an X-Factor book with Madrox and Bishop

I am a big fan of PAD X-Factor and of District X Bishop. Madrox, Layla, Sage and Bishop would make a great core for an X-Factor mutant detectives book, especially because imo, the other PAD X-Factor characters (like Syrin or Rictor or M or Darwin) didnt add much to it.

[Omegarogue]

Not in more recent history but Claremont spent more time with Kitty than all those women you listed except Storm in the 80s when he popularized all of them



No. Phoebe had a personality

Are you sure? because in Uncanny he practically banished Kitty, I know he worked in Excalibur, but from the main book he banished it relatively quickly, while with the other three he was more constant and always used them.

[Omegarogue]

I think the best thing for Sage would be having her in an X-Factor book with Madrox and Bishop

I am a big fan of PAD X-Factor and of District X Bishop. Madrox, Layla, Sage and Bishop would make a great core for an X-Factor mutant detectives book, especially because imo, the other PAD X-Factor characters (like Syrin or Rictor or M or Darwin) didnt add much to it.

I agree less about the other characters, especially M.

I started to love Monet, precisely because of PAD, gave him the push he needed, so he would not see her more as a student.

[Havok83]

Are you sure? because in Uncanny he practically banished Kitty, I know he worked in Excalibur, but from the main book he banished it relatively quickly, while with the other three he was more constant and always used them.

Kitty was a part of his Uncanny cast from 139-213
Rogue - 171-247, 274-280
Dazzler - 213-251. 259-260
Psylocke - 211-251, 255-258, 271-280
Rachel - 184-207

If you want to go by just time in Uncanny,Rogue may get the slight edge but Kitty isnt too far behind. Dazzler, Psylocke and Rachel dont even come close to her. Kitty was the only X-female with Storm for a long time and got heavy focus bc there were less characters and she was used as the POV for the reader. Excalibur cant be ignored though bc Claremont did transfer her over there and she was a main star. Claremont made Kitty A-list and its false to say he banished her quickly and barely used her in comparison to the rest. Like how do you come up in terms of Rachel (who left for Excalibur with Kitty)?

[lurkerforyears]

I agree less about the other characters, especially M.

I started to love Monet, precisely because of PAD, gave him the push he needed, so he would not see her more as a student.

Monet could be there too, without her they would be missing a flying character, psychic character, and super human strength character. She is also supposed to be a super genius, although that hasnt been used much since Gen X.

I would also have Rahner (or her son Tier, if possible), as a tracker-superhuman senses character. I think that could be a great book.

On Sage, I would go crazy with the idea of her as a Mary Sue, and perhaps even let her have Mary Sue as Codename. It's ridiculous, but then Sage was also kinda ridiculous, it's a pompous, solemn, self aggrandizing codename. She faints while telling people to call her Sage instead of Tessa. Have her be a kind of know it all Karnak who always has a plan and can see many moves ahead like a chess player, but in a ridiculous very comic booky way.

[Omegarogue]

Kitty was a part of his Uncanny cast from 139-213
Rogue - 171-247, 274-280
Dazzler - 213-251. 259-260
Psylocke - 211-251, 255-258, 271-280
Rachel - 184-207

If you want to go by just time in Uncanny,Rogue may get the slight edge but Kitty isnt too far behind. Dazzler, Psylocke and Rachel dont even come close to her. Kitty was the only X-female with Storm for a long time and got heavy focus bc there were less characters and she was used as the POV for the reader. Excalibur cant be ignored though bc Claremont did transfer her over there and she was a main star. Claremont made Kitty A-list and its false to say he banished her quickly and barely used her in comparison to the rest. Like how do you come up in terms of Rachel (who left for Excalibur with Kitty)?

Tks man.

Well yes, I basically take the flagship book, I also tell Revolution and Xtreme. Basically in his return used to Rogue, Storm, Sage and Psylocke (until I kill the latter), well if you see it like that, yes, Kitty enters the group, despite the withdrawal of UXM.

[Havok83]

Tks man.

Well yes, I basically take the flagship book, I also tell Revolution and Xtreme. Basically in his return used to Rogue, Storm, Sage and Psylocke (until I kill the latter), well if you see it like that, yes, Kitty enters the group, despite the withdrawal of UXM.

but by the time he returned with Revolution, all those characters were already A-list. Quite frankly, nothing he did with any of them since that returned was noteworthy or elevated them more than they already were. He gave Psylocke her telekinesis which is still used today, so I guess thats something

[LordAllMIghty]

I miss Sage, wish she would come back.

[Omegarogue]

Monet could be there too, without her they would be missing a flying character, psychic character, and super human strength character. She is also supposed to be a super genius, although that hasnt been used much since Gen X.

I would also have Rahner (or her son Tier, if possible), as a tracker-superhuman senses character. I think that could be a great book.

On Sage, I would go crazy with the idea of her as a Mary Sue, and perhaps even let her have Mary Sue as Codename. It's ridiculous, but then Sage was also kinda ridiculous, it's a pompous, solemn, self aggrandizing codename. She faints while telling people to call her Sage instead of Tessa. Have her be a kind of know it all Karnak who always has a plan and can see many moves ahead like a chess player, but in a ridiculous very comic booky way.

I agree, Sage can be rescued, but she needs to work hard, and to do it less MarySue, it was Claremont's fault that she's been in limbo for so long, she wanted to make Sage very cool, and what she did was a character complicated to use for writers.

With leaving it alone, as a mutant with computer skills, it is more than sufficient, as much as it can also detect other mutants. but the pile of random powers that gave him, I think the best thing is that he should forget.

Especially the most nonsensical random skills she gave him, such as mild telepathy, being a female version of Prodigi, changing shape (he did once, but he did it lol), heal from injuries like blindness, which he can not return, should be ignored. powers to depowered mutants, and that does not advance the potential mutant, or activate their latent abilities, but interesting is that the characters achieve that by themselves.