Sentry, just how much energy can he dish out?

[Cody]

Pre-worm food of course. A lot of people class him as a SS buster due to this scan here:


Thing is, they were shrunk down in terms of size. It said nothing about their power. This is the microverse, which is so small that it can't be seen by the human eye. If their power was not scaled down along with their bodies, then all they would need to do is unleash at least some planet busters to have it appear outside of the microverse. The narration also mentions that the power they are unleashed can shred entire planets. If that feat was any proof of Sentry being even a star buster, then the narrative would make mention of it would it not?

Take Galactus as an example. The guy accidentally busts galaxies when he is fighting at full power. When he shrinks, his power doesn't go down with his size, it stays the same. So even if, while at full power, he shrunk himself to the size of a human, he would still be more than capable of casually busting a galaxy.

If both Sentry and Photon were shrunk in size only, while still running on the same power they use when they are at their normal size, then having their attacks appear outside of the microverse would not, and should not, be an example of solar system busters. Hell, an energy attack that is the size of a mountain can also appear outside of the microverse due to the massive size difference. The only reason we know they are unleashed enough power to bust a planet is because the narration says so.

From that scan above, we know they are unleashing enough power to bust a planet. All the while they are holding back. This means that, from that scan alone, we know that, at most, Sentry can dish out multi planet busting attacks, and can tank just as much without having to rely on his healing capabilities.

Are there any other feats for Sentry that would actually put him at even Star busting level? If not, then does this mean that he is only a multi planet buster only?

[Matt the Manly]

The next scan which you are missing actually shows a planet being stabbed in half by their energies....which are visible on Tony Starks armour

Also Sentry has briefly held back the energies of a cosmic cube and treated a planet one Shotter Terrax as something akin to a joke. He has also wrestled out of the crimson bands

No one uses that scan as example of being anything other than above planet busting(which is actually seen)

Sentrys other feats are not on a "light up the universe" level, that feat is ambiguous. But clearly above mere planet busting. Like some of his other feats

[Surtur]

Well, between planet busting and solar system busting I guess. Or well..I don't know. I don't know how to judge things via the size of what was going on. I would at least assume he could lay waste to our solar system though.

[Cody]

The next scan which you are missing actually shows a planet being stabbed in half by their energies....which are visible on Tony Starks armour

A planet in the microverse or outside of it in their universe?

Also Sentry has briefly held back the energies of a cosmic cube and treated a planet one Shotter Terrax as something akin to a joke. He has also wrestled out of the crimson bands

That is physical strength, not energy.

No one uses that scan as example of being anything other than above planet busting(which is actually seen)

Some have actually prior to the wipe.

Sentrys other feats are not on a "light up the universe" level, that feat is ambiguous. But clearly above mere planet busting. Like some of his other feats

So, he is a planet buster at the minimum and multi-planet buster at the most?

[Matt the Manly]

A planet in the microverse or outside of it in their universe?

In the Microverse

That is physical strength, not energy.

Does it make a difference ? Shows that the guy is capable of well beyond planet busting

have actually prior to the wipe.

Again, does it make a difference? Nobody short of a galaxy buster or people with TP is going to be granted wins over a guy who can regenerate from ...nothing

So, he is a planet buster at the minimum and multi-planet buster at the most?

Again...doesn't really make a difference beyond the fact that the guy is well above standard class 100s or even heralds.There are very few characters who have displayed even this type of ambiguos solar system/multiplanet busting strength

Short of a galaxy buster very few people can compete with him. So what difference does it make if he can bust a solar system or a bunch of planets. Thats just .....trying to put a label on it. He's impressive enough without having to be classified as a solar system buster

[Cody]

Does it make a difference ? Shows that the guy is capable of well beyond planet busting

Did you not read the original post? I was asking for how much energy he can dish out, nothing more.

Again, does it make a difference? Nobody short of a galaxy buster or people with TP is going to be granted wins over a guy who can regenerate from ...nothing

Again, yes, it does. I was asking for how much energy he can dish out, not his physical performances as I am well aware of those.

Again...doesn't really make a difference beyond the fact that the guy is well above standard class 100s or even heralds.There are very few characters who have displayed even this type of ambiguos solar system/multiplanet busting strength

If you actually took the time to read the original post then yes, you would find that it does make a difference.

And there is a vast difference between multi planet busting and solar system busting.

Short of a galaxy buster very few people can compete with him. So what difference does it make if he can bust a solar system or a bunch of planets. Thats just .....trying to put a label on it. He's impressive enough without having to be classified as a solar system buster

It helps to read the original post before replying btw. Or even the topic name. With what you have said his energy output is multi planet busting levels. And even though I never asked for his strength performance, his strength level is around the same as his energy output. Still below star buster and Solar system busting.

And for the record, it doesn't need to be a galaxy buster to wreck him. Anyone who can mind **** him and has the reflex's do so can easily turn him into little more than a human vegetable. Like Thanos for example.

[Matt the Manly]

Whoa dude chill. I did in fact read your post, did not agree with most of it. For eg, how can a planet exploding blast be seen outside the sub atomic universe? I mean wouldn't a sun just shining in said universe produce a far greater source of light?

See that is why I did not try to quantify it beyond noting it is beyond planet busting (as actually seen). Because real world physics tells us that explosion cannot possibly be seen from the normal universe at all unless it is way above solar system busting

Heck at the very least it needs to be a supernova level explosion to even light uo the universe.....which again raises the issue of how a sub atomic universe being lighted up can even be seen in the.....non sub atomic universe

Comic Book physics man. Dont try to make sense out of it.

and I did also note TP can take him down , actually

[Guy Smiley]

Pre-worm food of course. A lot of people class him as a SS buster due to this scan here:
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Thing is, they were shrunk down in terms of size. It said nothing about their power. This is the microverse, which is so small that it can't be seen by the human eye. If their power was not scaled down along with their bodies, then all they would need to do is unleash at least some planet busters to have it appear outside of the microverse.

I am unclear as to your argument here. Maybe I am misunderstanding your argument, but it sounds like you are saying that when a character is sent to the Microverse, their energy projection capabilities do not shrink with them, and therefore they produce as much energy as they do when in the Macroverse.

Therefore, if I understand your argument correctly, this would mean characters who planet busted in the Microverse were actually only exerting an infinitesimal fraction of the power required to blow up a normal-sized planet. Vice-versa, this would imply that, as the Microverse is basically a subuniverse of the Marvel universe, where Earthlike planets are the size of atoms or smaller, (some versions, IIRC, would have them at the size of atomic nuclei) any character with energy projection on a scale greater than 'atom-buster' is a multi-world-destroying threat in the Microverse. Wasp? Planet buster. Boom Boom? Planet buster. Jubilee? Planet Buster.

You can see where I might find some fault with such an argument.

If both Sentry and Photon were shrunk in size only, while still running on the same power they use when they are at their normal size, then having their attacks appear outside of the microverse would not, and should not, be an example of solar system busters. Hell, an energy attack that is the size of a mountain can also appear outside of the microverse due to the massive size difference. The only reason we know they are unleashed enough power to bust a planet is because the narration says so.

Has the bolded actually happened in comics? That is, has a character unleashed an energy blast the size of a Microverse mountain, and had it be visible in the regular-sized Marvel universe? If so, I'll totally concede the point. That would imply that Marvel was being very wonky in how things translated between the two frames. Normally, if power is assumed scaled down, I'd say a mountain-busting attack would have no business whatsoever being visible outside the Microverse. And if power isn't scaled down, well, refer to the 'Jubilee as planet-buster' argument above.

On the other hand, the amount of energy required to be visible outside of the Microverse if power is scaled down is... pretty immense. I don't think it'd be an exaggeration to say a supernova or the equivalent would be the very least required to generate that kind of flash. And supernovas are well-known solar system busters.

That's pretty much the core argument for the 'solar system-buster' argument - Dude's firing off enough energy to destroy multiple planets and, at a very subatomic scale still produce enough energy that the residual light is visible to the degree of what appears to be a similar size to a candle flame in the normal-sized universe.

[Cody]

I am unclear as to your argument here. Maybe I am misunderstanding your argument, but it sounds like you are saying that when a character is sent to the Microverse, their energy projection capabilities do not shrink with them, and therefore they produce as much energy as they do when in the Macroverse.

Therefore, if I understand your argument correctly, this would mean characters who planet busted in the Microverse were actually only exerting an infinitesimal fraction of the power required to blow up a normal-sized planet. Vice-versa, this would imply that, as the Microverse is basically a subuniverse of the Marvel universe, where Earthlike planets are the size of atoms or smaller, (some versions, IIRC, would have them at the size of atomic nuclei) any character with energy projection on a scale greater than 'atom-buster' is a multi-world-destroying threat in the Microverse. Wasp? Planet buster. Boom Boom? Planet buster. Jubilee? Planet Buster.

You can see where I might find some fault with such an argument.

Except, as you can tell by everyone else agreement, that is exactly what happened. There is no reason for their power to shrink just because their size did. It's the microverse, they shrunk, their power shouldn't have unless stated otherwise.

Has the bolded actually happened in comics? That is, has a character unleashed an energy blast the size of a Microverse mountain,

Perhaps you misunderstood. An energy blast the size of an actual sized mountain, like Everest or something, if casted inside the microverse, would, and should appear outside of the microverse due to the sheer size.

Combined with the fact that the narration stated they were dishing out enough power to sunder worlds, and not a star, it would seem to be a strength to assume they are star busters from that performance alone.

[Surtur]

I just think that, based on the feat, "multi planet busting" seems to be..a label that sells him a bit short. I guess the term just brings to mind someone who can destroy a few planets at once, even though the word "multi" could mean anything. Odin is technically a multi planet buster too..but I don't see Sentry as on that level. Though he is a lot closer to it then someone like..Thanos, for example.

[Cody]

I just think that, based on the feat, "multi planet busting" seems to be..a label that sells him a bit short. I guess the term just brings to mind someone who can destroy a few planets at once, even though the word "multi" could mean anything. Odin is technically a multi planet buster too..but I don't see Sentry as on that level. Though he is a lot closer to it then someone like..Thanos, for example.

As it is he just doesn't have the feats that put him at Star busting, let alone having enough energy to blanket the entire Solar system. If you have scan that say otherwise then post em, otherwise he is at most just under star busting.

[Surtur]

As it is he just doesn't have the feats that put him at Star busting, let alone having enough energy to blanket the entire Solar system. If you have scan that say otherwise then post em, otherwise he is at most just under star busting.

I just don't see how energy visible by people in the normal universe..even though the fight was in the microverse, wouldn't at least be enough to blanket a solar system. Unless I'm really misunderstanding what the microverse is and the size of it. I know the feat has been debated before about just how much power it shows, but I'd think he could at least blanket our entire solar system..but maybe I'm wrong.

I don't have the scan, but the scan posted in this thread does not show the part where it shows a little flash of light on Iron Man's armor..showing that is where the fight is taking place, etc.

[Guy Smiley]

Except, as you can tell by everyone else agreement, that is exactly what happened. There is no reason for their power to shrink just because their size did. It's the microverse, they shrunk, their power shouldn't have unless stated otherwise.

So, you're arguing that Wasp should indeed be a planet-buster in the Microverse? That's what I'm getting from this.

Perhaps you misunderstood. An energy blast the size of an actual sized mountain, like Everest or something, if casted inside the microverse, would, and should appear outside of the microverse due to the sheer size.

Ignore the rest of my argument if you must. This is the statement that made me reply to your post. No. Just no.

Sheer size? Remember, a Microverse planet is the size of an atom at best. Even Olympus Mons isn't a significant chunk of its home planet's mass, much less Everest. A Microverse mountain is many magnitudes smaller than a single atom to us. A Microverse solar system, empty space included, would probably be visible to the naked eye, (the width of a few hairs - much smaller than the gleam on Tony Stark's armor) if the Earth-representative planet were the size of a carbon atom, but the individual planets, even if glowing like they were on fire, would still need an electron microscope to even detect as a kind of fuzzy dot, much less notice tiny surface features like mountains. (Meanwhile, at least one source I found claims that if the Earth were the size of a proton - which IIRC is supposed to be closer in scale to the Microverse - the solar system'd be smaller than a hydrogen atom. Carbon atoms, much bigger, could still have around 7 trillion comfortably stuffed into the average printed period.)

What I'm trying to say here is that atomic scale or subatomic regardless, a mountain-sized energy blast would be utterly negligible at the kind of size differential we're talking about.

Now, if their energy-blasting powers were completely unreduced, as you're arguing, then Sentry firing the amount of energy to result in a mountain-sized blast would result in... a mountain-sized blast in the real world, just from a more condensed starting area. (Along with a bunch of dead Avengers if he's firing it while in a section of the Microverse located on Iron Man's armor.) That would mean the candle-sized light we see in the feat would be a hilariously low showing for Sentry.

Combined with the fact that the narration stated they were dishing out enough power to sunder worlds, and not a star, it would seem to be a strength to assume they are star busters from that performance alone.

Why should the narration say they are dishing out enough to destroy stars, even if it's true? They are actually shredding planets on page, and from what I can see of the shot, we don't see any stars at all. The narration doesn't need to go "Oh, by the way, these dudes are busting planets, but they could totally be trashing stars right now, trust me" for it to be a thing based on other parameters. While I understand your reluctance to give Sentry higher feats than what you believe him to have shown on-panel, the lack of narrative hyperbole isn't really an argument against a feat.

[Surtur]

Well yeah..the feat is a pretty crazy power output if you really try to think about it, but..at the very least I'd put him above star busting. Though it depends on the star, it would take over a million Earth's to fill up our sun.

[Pendaran]

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Microverse is intended as a place being so damn small that it cannot be seen by the naked eye. If their power was shrunk along with their size and they did that? I'd say they would be outright universe busters if anything. But seeing as there were no statements saying their power had shrunk along with them, then having their attacks appear outside of the microverse should not mark them at SS busters.

You are thinking wayyyy too hard about this.