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    Ahh No Mans Land...the story-arc where Cass first debuted...good times! 1999 up to 2006...then DC realized that Cass was growing strong and they started screwing her up going as far as to turn her into a villain and it went downhill.

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    I ordered the new editions of the trades this week myself. In respect of Volumes 1-4, someone on Amazon noted that the reading order of these is out of balance and suggested this reading order:

    Batman: No Man's Land #1 [NML1]
    Shadow of the Bat #83 [NML1]
    Batman #563 [NML1]
    Detective Comics #730 [NML1]
    Azrael #51 [NML1]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #116 [NML1]
    Shadow of the Bat #84 [NML1]
    Batman #564 [NML1]
    Detective Comics #731 [NML1]
    Azrael #52 [NML1]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #117 [NML1]
    Shadow of the Bat #85 [NML1]
    Batman #565 [NML1]
    Detective Comics #732 [NML1]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #118 [NML1]
    Shadow of the Bat #86 [NML1]
    Detective Comics #733 [NML1]
    Azrael #53 [NML1]
    Batman Chronicles #16 [NML1]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #119 [NML2]
    Shadow of the Bat #87 [NML2]
    Batman #566 [NML1]
    Azrael #54 [NML1]
    Azrael #55 [NML1]
    Young Justice Special #1 [NML2]
    Batman Chronicles #17 [NML2]
    Batman #567 [NML2]
    Detective Comics #734 [NML2]
    Robin #67 [NML2]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #120 [NML2]
    Azrael #56 [NML2]
    Azrael #57 [NML2]
    Shadow of the Bat #88 [NML2]
    Batman #568 [NML2]
    Detective Comics #735 [NML2]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #121 [NML2]
    Nightwing #35 [NML2]
    Nightwing #36 [NML2]
    Batman Chronicles #18 [NML4]
    Nightwing #37 [NML2]
    Catwoman #72 [NML2]
    Catwoman #73 [NML2]
    Catwoman #74 [NML2]
    Robin #68 [NML3]
    Robin #69 [NML3]
    Robin #70 [NML3]
    Shadow of the Bat #89 [NML3]
    Batman #569 [NML3]
    Detective Comics #736 [NML3]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #122 [NML3]
    Shadow of the Bat #90 [NML3]
    Batman #570 [NML3]
    Detective Comics #737 [NML3]
    Azrael #58 [NML3]
    Batman #571 [NML3]
    Detective Comics #738 [NML3]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #123 [NML3]
    Shadow of the Bat #91 [NML3]
    Nightwing #38 [NML4]
    Nightwing #39 [NML4]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #124 [NML3]
    Shadow of the Bat #92 [NML3]
    Batman #572 [NML4]
    Detective Comics #739 [NML4]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #125 [NML4]
    Robin #71 [NML3]
    Robin #72 [NML3]
    Robin #73 [NML4]
    Batman: No Man's Land Secret Files #1 [NML3]
    Catwoman #75 [NML4]
    Azrael #59 [NML4]
    Shadow of the Bat #93 [NML4]
    Azrael #60 [NML4]
    Batman: No Man's Land #0 [NML4]
    Batman #573 [NML4]
    Detective Comics #740 [NML4]
    Catwoman #76 [NML4]
    Catwoman #77 [NML4]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #126 [NML4]
    Batman #574 [NML4]
    Detective Comics #741 [NML4]
    Azrael #61 [NML4]
    Shadow of the Bat #94 [NML4]

    Wondered if anyone else had noticed issues with ordering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SicariiDC View Post
    Read fine to me
    Same here

    Quote Originally Posted by bat_girl_cc View Post
    Ahh No Mans Land...the story-arc where Cass first debuted...good times! 1999 up to 2006...then DC realized that Cass was growing strong and they started screwing her up going as far as to turn her into a villain and it went downhill.
    I always found Cass showing up as Batgirl odd, IIRC shes show as just a kid for a couple of issues, then suddenly shes got exceptional fighting skills and appears in the batgirl suit (the one Huntress originally wore) and working with Batman without any introduction? Was there a preview comic of her or something that I missed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zep81 View Post
    I ordered the new editions of the trades this week myself. In respect of Volumes 1-4, someone on Amazon noted that the reading order of these is out of balance and suggested this reading order:

    Batman: No Man's Land #1 [NML1]
    Shadow of the Bat #83 [NML1]
    Batman #563 [NML1]
    Detective Comics #730 [NML1]
    Azrael #51 [NML1]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #116 [NML1]
    Shadow of the Bat #84 [NML1]
    Batman #564 [NML1]
    Detective Comics #731 [NML1]
    Azrael #52 [NML1]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #117 [NML1]
    Shadow of the Bat #85 [NML1]
    Batman #565 [NML1]
    Detective Comics #732 [NML1]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #118 [NML1]
    Shadow of the Bat #86 [NML1]
    Detective Comics #733 [NML1]
    Azrael #53 [NML1]
    Batman Chronicles #16 [NML1]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #119 [NML2]
    Shadow of the Bat #87 [NML2]
    Batman #566 [NML1]
    Azrael #54 [NML1]
    Azrael #55 [NML1]
    Young Justice Special #1 [NML2]
    Batman Chronicles #17 [NML2]
    Batman #567 [NML2]
    Detective Comics #734 [NML2]
    Robin #67 [NML2]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #120 [NML2]
    Azrael #56 [NML2]
    Azrael #57 [NML2]
    Shadow of the Bat #88 [NML2]
    Batman #568 [NML2]
    Detective Comics #735 [NML2]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #121 [NML2]
    Nightwing #35 [NML2]
    Nightwing #36 [NML2]
    Batman Chronicles #18 [NML4]
    Nightwing #37 [NML2]
    Catwoman #72 [NML2]
    Catwoman #73 [NML2]
    Catwoman #74 [NML2]
    Robin #68 [NML3]
    Robin #69 [NML3]
    Robin #70 [NML3]
    Shadow of the Bat #89 [NML3]
    Batman #569 [NML3]
    Detective Comics #736 [NML3]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #122 [NML3]
    Shadow of the Bat #90 [NML3]
    Batman #570 [NML3]
    Detective Comics #737 [NML3]
    Azrael #58 [NML3]
    Batman #571 [NML3]
    Detective Comics #738 [NML3]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #123 [NML3]
    Shadow of the Bat #91 [NML3]
    Nightwing #38 [NML4]
    Nightwing #39 [NML4]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #124 [NML3]
    Shadow of the Bat #92 [NML3]
    Batman #572 [NML4]
    Detective Comics #739 [NML4]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #125 [NML4]
    Robin #71 [NML3]
    Robin #72 [NML3]
    Robin #73 [NML4]
    Batman: No Man's Land Secret Files #1 [NML3]
    Catwoman #75 [NML4]
    Azrael #59 [NML4]
    Shadow of the Bat #93 [NML4]
    Azrael #60 [NML4]
    Batman: No Man's Land #0 [NML4]
    Batman #573 [NML4]
    Detective Comics #740 [NML4]
    Catwoman #76 [NML4]
    Catwoman #77 [NML4]
    Legends of the Dark Knight #126 [NML4]
    Batman #574 [NML4]
    Detective Comics #741 [NML4]
    Azrael #61 [NML4]
    Shadow of the Bat #94 [NML4]

    Wondered if anyone else had noticed issues with ordering.
    There's also new "Cataclysm" & "Road to No Mans Land 1" trades out and RTNML 2 is out this week

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG2045 View Post
    There's also new "Cataclysm" & "Road to No Mans Land 1" trades out and RTNML 2 is out this week
    Yup, ordered those too and pre ordered Road To No Man's Land Vol.2 (it's not out until the 21st here in the UK).

    I did order Batman: Evolution too but just now have noticed DC are releasing Batman: New Gotham:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...f_rd_i=desktop

    Next month. Wondered if i should get that too when it comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG2045 View Post
    I always found Cass showing up as Batgirl odd, IIRC shes show as just a kid for a couple of issues, then suddenly shes got exceptional fighting skills and appears in the batgirl suit (the one Huntress originally wore) and working with Batman without any introduction? Was there a preview comic of her or something that I missed?
    You memories are incorrect. At no points was he just this kid.
    She appeared in just one two-parter before Batman gave her the costume, and she was already an almost supernaturally skilled badass with a very murky and troubled past, who gets to save Jim Gordon's life in those issues.

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    So how are the 2 volumes of 'Road to No Mans Land'? Are they complete / missing issues / etc?

    I just bought them yesterday through IST, but it'll be a while before they get here.
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