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    I'd put Sue on the list.

    As that costume has been erased from my mind, it didn't last long all and it is universally hated as being something the character would never wear.

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    Black heroes who:

    * Don't come from a ghetto.
    * Don't have electrical powers
    * Don't have armor/mechanical based powers
    * Don't have gangs or drug dealers in their origin
    * Have never been arrested
    * Don't have a personality that can be described as 'gruff'
    * Isn't a 'spin-off' of a white superhero
    Hotspot from the 1996 Teen Titans
    Vixen
    Battlestar since he had to take a new name and id
    Nightthrasher (maybe)
    Synch
    Cardiac (if you count him as a hero/villain)
    Blade
    Nubia (Wonder Woman)
    Tyroc
    Aqualad (Young Justice version and his powers were water based)
    Amazing Man 2-3
    Black Racer
    Blue Marvel?
    Wildstreak (Fantastic Four)
    Blindside (Relative Heroes)
    Tag (Hellions)


    If we count other companies-

    New Crusaders Comet at Archie
    Strike from Eclipse comics
    Zig Zag from Malibu Comics
    The biracial Malcolm Dragon from Savage Dragon
    Midnight Tiger
    Miles from Miles Away (Anthony Montgomery)
    Shadow Man (Valiant-one of the versions)
    Quantum from Quantum & Woody fame
    Ebony White (sort of)
    Chuck Clayton (sort of)

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    Women heroes

    Jenny Sparks.
    Sasha Bordeaux/Black Queen
    Stephanie Brown: Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl
    Cassandra Cain (Batgirl.Black Bat)
    Maybe Mystique. Not sure what she wears on her feet (well, technically she's barefooted)


    Black heroes who:
    * Don't have electrical powers
    Electrical Black people is a stereotype now?

    Orpheus (Batman comics)
    Maybe Mr. Terrific unles Batman type gadgets fall under mechanical based powers.

    Latino heroes
    Angela Spicca, The Engineer (The Authority)

    Asian heroes
    Swift (Stormwatch/The Authority)

    Gay male heroes who:
    * Haven't had a scene where they say goodbye to their boyfriend in a wishy-washy way

    I'm tentatively going to suggest Apollo and the Midnighter, depending on what wishy-washy means, which could rule out any character ever who has been in a relationship, straight or gay.


    Jewish heroes
    Batwoman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Women heroes

    Jenny Sparks.
    Sasha Bordeaux/Black Queen
    Stephanie Brown: Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl
    Cassandra Cain (Batgirl.Black Bat)
    Maybe Mystique. Not sure what she wears on her feet (well, technically she's barefooted)



    Electrical Black people is a stereotype now?

    Orpheus (Batman comics)
    Maybe Mr. Terrific unles Batman type gadgets fall under mechanical based powers.

    Latino heroes
    Angela Spicca, The Engineer (The Authority)

    Asian heroes
    Swift (Stormwatch/The Authority)

    Gay male heroes who:
    * Haven't had a scene where they say goodbye to their boyfriend in a wishy-washy way

    I'm tentatively going to suggest Apollo and the Midnighter, depending on what wishy-washy means, which could rule out any character ever who has been in a relationship, straight or gay.


    Jewish heroes
    Batwoman
    Can't count Stephanie Brown, because she was kidnapped and tortured to "death" by Black Mask for an obvious fridging/life lesson for the male hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Hopkins View Post
    Can't count Stephanie Brown, because she was kidnapped and tortured to "death" by Black Mask for an obvious fridging/life lesson for the male hero.
    You really did have to remind me, did you? Just when I finally had it blocked out.

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    Lesbian hero: Karma not butch has never dated a team-mate.

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    I personally disagree about MAC; she's not "butch" but she's hardly a "lipstick lesbian" either (which in of itself is a stereotype). She's fiery, and strong (her body would be athletic not model).

    Quote Originally Posted by edpower View Post
    Gay male heroes who:

    * Don't have magenta, purple or pink in their costumes
    * Aren't flamboyant
    * Haven't had a scene where they say goodbye to their boyfriend in a wishy-washy way
    Anole's costume is green and black, he's aggressive and headstrong... his recent date was a little "wishy-washy". Though to be clear I don't consider him a stereotype; which is why he's so popular.
    Benjamin Deeds' costume is yellow and black, he has no boyfriend and he's shy (not flamboyant).
    Iceman. Blue costume, not flamboyant (jokester) and has no boyfriend
    Korg. Muscle bound, yellow/black costume, very tight-lipped about his lover.
    the Mighty Destroyer. Costume red and blue/black, white mask; again tight-lipped about his lover, leader, stubborn, not flamboyant.
    Rictor. Costume dark/muddy greens and greys, not flamboyant; can be a tad "wishy-washy", but mostly just a strong relationship.



    Quote Originally Posted by edpower View Post
    Lesbian heroes who:

    * Aren't dating another hero on the team
    * Are butch
    Karma. She's not butch and she's never dated.
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    I remember at school I had a black acquaintance who was excited about seeing Spawn because he liked Batman and the Crow's films and never thought there would be a similar black hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    the mechanical/armor thing...no one thinks of that as a ethnic/racial trait.
    The thing is, while in real life a mechanical aptitude isn't particularly associated with blacks, in superhero comics, for some reason, there are TONS of black characters that are cyborgs or have tech powers, and that before cyborgs became a cool thing in the 1990s. A disproportionate amount. I don't really know why. Perhaps because shining metal looks cooler or more contrasting against darker skin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Hopkins View Post
    Grace Choi has you covered on the butch lesbian front.



    But not the not dating a team member thing. That'd be tough to find on any team book, though. Relationships are usually within the team because nobody wants Terry Long hanging around.
    She slept with your old sidekick, Ollie, so she must like men well enough. Just not assholes like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rene Narciso View Post
    The thing is, while in real life a mechanical aptitude isn't particularly associated with blacks, in superhero comics, for some reason, there are TONS of black characters that are cyborgs or have tech powers, and that before cyborgs became a cool thing in the 1990s. A disproportionate amount. I don't really know why. Perhaps because shining metal looks cooler or more contrasting against darker skin?
    I don't think there's an objective reason or rhyme behind it. It's a pretty common superhero shtick otherwise. Like the electricity thing, it's this sort of weird coincidence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by edpower View Post
    Black heroes who:

    * Don't have electrical powers
    * Don't have armor/mechanical based powers

    Latino heroes who:

    * No fire/solar powers/motifs

    Asian heroes who:

    * Aren't solar or fire powered

    Indian heroes who:

    * Are male

    Arab heroes who:

    * Are male

    Jewish heroes who aren't

    * Aren't from the X-men
    These feel less like stereotypes and more like ways of ruling out the characters you can think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    I don't think there's an objective reason or rhyme behind it. It's a pretty common superhero shtick otherwise. Like the electricity thing, it's this sort of weird coincidence...
    Probably. But I was thinking more about it, and perhaps it's some sort of weird convergence. Black superheroes started to appear in the 1960s and 1970s. So they were seen as championing "modernity" perhaps, as contrasted to the old white superheroes of the 1940s and 1950s. And electricity and cybernetics are "modernity" too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancj View Post
    These feel less like stereotypes and more like ways of ruling out the characters you can think of.
    regarding Japan: it may be "Land of the rising sun" type of a stereotype.

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