In Trump ....We Trust

[Shawn Hopkins]

Wow, still some mad denial about all the horribly oppressive M.Eastern countries that donate to the Clinton Foundation like Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Oman. Whether it's laws that don't allow for divorce, or laws allowing husbands to assault their wives and children, or where marital rape is permitted, or where sex outside of marriage/same-sex intercourse is punishable by death...some "socially liberal" friends the Clintons have.

A ridiculous deflection. Election's over.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Compared to what?

It's not like his opposition had a flawless record when it came to how she talks about women.

Not flawless, but it's "women's right are human rights" vs. "grab 'em by the pussy," so the choice is rather stark.

[numberthirty]

No. Try again. Your reach exceeds your grasp.

Sure it does.

You don't have to like the answers(or agree with folks' motivations) for the reality of things to be what it actually is.

It's going to be that way no matter how you feel about it.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Huh. You actually seem to have had the answer to your own question.

So is your whole thing just being a pro-lifer? I don't understand backing Bernie, then.

[JBatmanFan05]

A ridiculous deflection. Election's over.

The neoliberal Dem establishment isn't over, not by a longshot. They now have anti-Semite marched-with-Farrakhan Keith Ellison ready to take over the already-corrupt DNC.

[numberthirty]

Not flawless, but it's "women's right are human rights" vs. "grab 'em by the pussy," so the choice is rather stark.

While I see what you are trying to say, not really.

On the one hand, you had a guy fess up to saying something really stupid. On the other hand, you had a woman who has called other women "Trailer Trash"(While not openly taking her husband to task, mind you) trying to talk about a world where men are holding women back.

It's a bit murky.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Oh how sadly naive you are. Not surprising. The Foundation is the perfect slush fund cover and at the very least creates an appearance of impropriety when you're running for office, which even some brave entities and people on the left hit her hard on. You're the one who doesn't understand, living in your saintly Clinton fantasy. She didn't fool/convince everyone, and even worse, she didn't even much try given all options the Clintons could have availed themselves of regarding distance from the Foundation.

No, no. Trump ran his foundation like a slush fund. The Clinton Foundation saved and improved countless lives. Keep 'em straight.

[numberthirty]

So is your whole thing just being a pro-lifer? I don't understand backing Bernie, then.

I think you might want to reread some stuff.

[Shawn Hopkins]

While I see what you are trying to say, not really.

On the one hand, you had a guy fess up to saying something really stupid. On the other hand, you had a woman who has called other women "Trailer Trash"(While not openly taking her husband to task, mind you) trying to talk about a world where men are holding women back.

It's a bit murky.

You're just accepting Trump narratives unquestioningly now. It wasn't something stupid, he was bragging about sexual assaults. That's just one incident in a life of deep misogyny. You know what Trump thinks a woman should do if she's being sexually harassed at work? Get another job.

The "trailer trash" comment is a second-hand story from a book. The worst Clinton ever was on Flowers publicly was calling her a "failed cabaret singer."

If all you Trump defenders have got to fall back on as he does horrible things is "B-b-but Clinton!" It's going to be a long damn four years for you.

[JBatmanFan05]

If all you Trump defenders have got to fall back on as he does horrible things is "B-b-but Clinton!" It's going to be a long damn four years for you.

If you're gonna continue to dismiss Trump and the concerns Trump voters have about America, then it's going to be a long damn four years for you, Not everyone has polished political correctness as as high as an issue as you and the rest of the dismissive outrage types.

[Shawn Hopkins]

If you're gonna continue to dismiss Trump and the concerns Trump voters have about America, then it's going to be a long damn four years for you, Not everyone has polished political correctness as as high as an issue as you.

Don't I know it.

[numberthirty]

If all you Trump defenders have got to fall back on as he does horrible things is "B-b-but Clinton!" It's going to be a long damn four years for you.

How is stating that it may not be as stark as you are saying for every woman in America "defending" Trump?

[Shawn Hopkins]

I think what happened with Tump is that there is a certain subset of people who don't care about right or wrong, good or bad or even how a leader will affect them personally. They vote on their perception of strength. These are exemplified by a comment gathered when Rick Perry was running for President and was criticized for executing an innocent man. One of his supporters was quoted as saying "It takes balls to execute an innocent man."

http://www.salon.com/2011/08/03/perr...ingham_survey/

That's the Trump voter that votes against his own interest and ignores the fact that the guy is an immoral, ignorant con man.

[Shawn Hopkins]

How is stating that it may not be as stark as you are saying for every woman in America "defending" Trump?

How is it not? You're comparing a splinter to a decapitation and calling them equal. It's the falsest of equivalencies and it minimizes and normalizes Trump. The fact that most of your argument depends on the guileless acceptance of right wing propaganda and dubious tell-all books is also problematic.

[numberthirty]

As for the guy in question...

That his kids running his own company looks like it will shake out to be quite a bit like the whole Clinton foundation mess is priceless.