In Trump ....We Trust

[ouroboros]

The answer is obvious. The earlier allegations were allegations and so far he's used his wealth and power to make them go away. But now they've GOT HIM ON TAPE, BRAGGING ABOUT SEXUALLY ASSAULTING WOMEN.

If the sticking point for you is that you think grabbing a woman's pussy without consent is not sexual assault in all circumstances and no matter who the grabber is, all I can do is feel sorry for you and wish you were raised better.

You can attribute to me as many idiot statements as you please; you will still be the only source of them.

[ouroboros]

That's not the way crime works. Getting away with it does not mean it's not a crime. The act of grabbing a woman in the pussy without consent is quite well-defined as a crime in all of our criminal codes.

So you're OK with Trump accusing Bill Clinton of rape, sans proof?

[Shawn Hopkins]

You can attribute to me as many idiot statements as you please; you will still be the only source of them.

But they don't alter my opinion that he's not talking about sexual molestation in the leaked clip; he's talking about being allowed liberties that the ordinary schmuck can't dream of, because he's a celebrity.

A celebrity gets the liberty of pussy-grabbing without consent. You said it yourself.

[Shawn Hopkins]

So you're OK with Trump accusing Bill Clinton of rape, sans proof?

Did Bill Clinton ever admit to/brag about that rape on video?

[Carabas]

I say "socially unacceptable" rather than "illegal" because not every woman goes to the cops when some guy (or girl) steals a kiss or cops a feel.

When you get away with a crime because the victim doesn't go to the cops, well, it was still a crime, and not in any way at all legal.

[ouroboros]

But they don't alter my opinion that he's not talking about sexual molestation in the leaked clip; he's talking about being allowed liberties that the ordinary schmuck can't dream of, because he's a celebrity.

A celebrity gets the liberty of pussy-grabbing without consent. You said it yourself.

"Being allowed." Read much?

[ouroboros]

Did Bill Clinton ever admit to/brag about that rape on video?

The issue is whether or not you're willing to condemn someone without proof in court.

[ouroboros]

When you get away with a crime because the victim doesn't go to the cops, well, it was still a crime, and not in any way at all legal.

If a person allows a sexual liberty to be taken, that implies consent, and it's a standard defense in the legal world, as witness the exculpation of Nate Parker. The defense has probably been abused many times, but it came about because of the slippery nature of sexual relations: because a judge and jury have to *know,* or try to know, whether or not the sexual offense was in any way permitted.

During the leaked tape, Trump did not precisely admit to taking liberties without consent, and that's why it's immoral to build up his idle, if stupid, comments into some validation of molestation.

BTW, it's interesting that Billy Bush got the sack for his part in the thing. By encouraging Trump's loose talk, he may have made it possible for this October surprise to come off in a timely fashion. They ought to give him a new position for doing them such a favor.

[Shawn Hopkins]

"Being allowed." Read much?

Yes, this is the bullshit implied consent for celebrities part of your argument I was talking about. At no point does he ever indicate he gets consent. Just the opposite.

[Shawn Hopkins]

The issue is whether or not you're willing to condemn someone without proof in court.

Yeah, if there's tape of them saying they sexually assault people corroborated by lots of other accounts.

[Shawn Hopkins]

If a person allows a sexual liberty to be taken, that implies consent, and it's a standard defense in the legal world, as witness the exculpation of Nate Parker. The defense has probably been abused many times, but it came about because of the slippery nature of sexual relations: because a judge and jury have to *know,* or try to know, whether or not the sexual offense was in any way permitted.

During the leaked tape, Trump did not precisely admit to taking liberties without consent, and that's why it's immoral to build up his idle, if stupid, comments into some validation of molestation.

BTW, it's interesting that Billy Bush got the sack for his part in the thing. By encouraging Trump's loose talk, he may have made it possible for this October surprise to come off in a timely fashion. They ought to give him a new position for doing them such a favor.

The fact that a person is unable to or does not stop a sexual assault does not imply consent. If your standard is that it isn't a crime if the other person doesn't fight back hard enough we might as well make all sex crime legal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...fight-or-yell/

[numberthirty]

Did Bill Clinton ever admit to/brag about that rape on video?

The guy on question has lied on tape, and only admitted it while under oath.

You might want to get yourself a better example.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Do you believe in freedom of religion? Donald Trump says fuck you. He wants to unite the country under "one God."

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/10...orefromreuters

[Spike-X]

If your standard is that it isn't a crime if the other person doesn't fight back hard enough we might as well make all sex crime legal.

You're also a deplorable apologist for rape culture.

[Carabas]

If a person allows a sexual liberty to be taken, that implies consent...

It so incredibly does not. And if you are unable to comperehend that then there is no use talking to you about this sort of thing.
This is not how consent works.

and it's a standard defense in the legal world

In some places this is still so, but thankfully this is starting to change.

...as witness the exculpation of Nate Parker...

The jackass who harassed his victim into suicide? Let's by all means talk about how great a standard the law is in cases like this.

During the leaked tape, Trump did not precisely admit to taking liberties without consent, and that's why it's immoral to build up his idle, if stupid, comments into some validation of molestation.

No, no, he very clearly did. Consent is when you ask, and she says "Okay, go ahead" BEFORE you actually do it.

BTW, it's interesting that Billy Bush got the sack for his part in the thing. By encouraging Trump's loose talk, he may have made it possible for this October surprise to come off in a timely fashion. They ought to give him a new position for doing them such a favor.

Does Donald Trump strike you as the person who needs encouragement to say self-damning crap?
And yeah, by doing this (whatever 'this' is) way back in 2005, he really timed if incredibly well...

By the way, why is it interesting that Billy Bush got sacked? As opposed to the normal way of things?