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    Well, it was a nice ending.

    That said, I dislike the time jumps that SEEMS like a rush to end it. Seems like there's a LOT of potential story to fill in the blanks from 192-193. I get that he's super hot right now & that the time to make a bigger move is when your hot. Just how it seems to me.

    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxin45 View Post
    I have seen some walking dead and still surprised it ended today. I liked the ending though and the abc tv show and movies are coming up so we still got that.
    What abc show?
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    We are getting a 10th season and three movies dude so more adaptions of the walking dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxin45 View Post
    We are getting a 10th season and three movies dude so more adaptions of the walking dead.
    I think he was alluding to it being AMC, not ABC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Flux View Post
    I think he was alluding to it being AMC, not ABC.
    Oh sorry I misspelled that.

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    I think the idea is that we have been spending years and years watching society come back, and specifically Rick guide and shape society coming back. Each group, each community Rick encountered and joined and lead were the steps on the path you feel was skipped. Hell, readers were *already* giving him nonstop shit about his constant focus on society-building over dumb zombie action.

    I think Kirkman saw the Commonwealth as that final group Rick encounters, that last stepping stone to reach the society they've all been looking for and trying to achieve. Of course it took Rick to "lead" this group too and change it to his own vision, and connect it with all of his other groups in order to reach that stable society they all wanted. But they were almost there. The leader of the commonwealth wasn't The Governor or Negan. With Rick's version of the commonwealth, plus the other communities, plus Eugene's railroad project I believe the place Kirkman took us was far along enough to justify the ending.

    Now I agree with you that ideally there should have been more. Stuff got glossed over or set aside. I would've liked to have seen 12-24 more issues to further flesh all this out, and I'm betting Kirkman did have content for at least 6-12 more issues, but he didn't have content for 48 more issues, and (hilariously) rather than orphaning the last Compendium, he cut things a smidgen short.

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    I... honestly did not like the ending. I had heard the day before about 193 being a surprise ending, and I was curious how everything would get resolved, and deliver a satisfying conclusion to the whole series. Even with Rick having just died, I didn't get the feeling that the story was winding down, or nearing any kind of conclusion. It felt like there was still room to tell a lot more story, and show the continued effort to rebuild society, and the struggles re class inequality and such. So imagine my surprise when I started reading the final issue, only to find that Kirkman decided to just... skip all that. Like suddenly civilization is all rebuilt and life is swell and Rick Grimes is Jesus Christ, because he, uh, gave a cool speech? Like it looks like the overwhelming majority of the progress made in rebuilding society and reconnecting everyone and rebuilding the previous institutions happened after Rick died, so when everyone kept saying "rick grimes is the only reason anybody in the country (world?) is alive today, without him all would be lost", it felt like they were referring to events which... did not happen? Because Rick was already dead? Like, ok, he co-opted some communities other people had already formed and gave inspirational speeches, but that doesn't really translate to the messianic figure he's suddenly portrayed as. (The implication that Rick Grimes was canonically the only human being in the entire United States, and I guess possibly also the world, who was inspirational and a good leader is, uh, weird; like yes he was a good leader and a good person throughout the story, but the time-jump and the ending blow anything he actually did out of proportion, like he was a real credit to the sections of Georgia that the story takes place in, but he didn't end the zombie menace or rebuild society)

    Also, I'm 100% fine with happy endings, but... this one didn't feel earned. Which is surprising, because I would've thought, if any story would be able to earn a happy ending, it'd be this one. For awhile, Kirkman seemed like he was actually committed to detailing the struggles of rebuilding society. But then he just skips everything and goes "and then after the sad thing, everyone became super cool and rebuilt society, take my word for it, and some people are dicks, but basically they lived happily ever after". It's honestly hard to believe this was planned, because everything about this, from the lame and anticlimactic way Rick was killed by some loser, to the massive time-jump and literal storybook ending, felt like the incredibly rushed ending of someone who just wanted the end the story as soon as possible and literally didn't care about anything else. It almost feels like you could've had a version of this exact same ending happen at literally any point throughout the series, and it would make equal sense. "[insert any community here] has potential, and we can rebuild, and start society anew!" speech, resident douchebag kills him, time-jump, dream embodied by that community is fulfilled.

    I mean, at least it wasn't as bad as Game of Thrones. But this seems to be a year of disappointments.

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    I felt like I would have enjoyed the original ending he had planned, just not on the issue he had planned it. I enjoy the idea of a bleak, nihilistic ending where the living dead win; seems more keeping with the horror legacy of Romero's series, like maybe how Day of the Dead ends with them simply moving on an island and not worrying about saving humanity or understanding the plague. And even after reading the entire series since the beginning I don't buy all the post-mortem Rick praise, seemed pretty heavy handed and hollow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KROENEN View Post
    I felt like I would have enjoyed the original ending he had planned, just not on the issue he had planned it. I enjoy the idea of a bleak, nihilistic ending where the living dead win; seems more keeping with the horror legacy of Romero's series, like maybe how Day of the Dead ends with them simply moving on an island and not worrying about saving humanity or understanding the plague. And even after reading the entire series since the beginning I don't buy all the post-mortem Rick praise, seemed pretty heavy handed and hollow.
    The only problem with this is that it really ends the entire TWD universe once & for all, right?

    With this ending he could revisit & jumpstart the entire thing with a new cast of characters/location reacting to a new walker-infection. Maybe even do a story anthology series with different writers/artists. Many years passed by from 192-193. Lot of potential for future stories still with this ending.

    Remember, he did say that, Neagan lives, yes?

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    I'm fine with it ending here.

    If they did pick up a different story during that time lapse it kind of loses the traditional Walking Dead narrative of following survivors right from the beginning of the zombie apocalypse. I remember Kirkman saying he was disappointed when a Romero Living Dead movie ended because he wanted to know what happen to the survivors after the end credits. He wanted to keep following them to their actual end; so it kind of makes sense for the comic series to end the way it did with Rick passing. I really wouldn't be interested in a spin-off that took place in the middle of the "trials"; I'm fine with definitive endings, I just wish it ended on more of a dire, non-optimistic note, something more keeping with Romero's movies and the horror traditions at large; the idea that society is pretty much doomed to failure in the wake of the living dead, which was how Kirk was originally going to end it. If they do a spin-off comic series about zombies just call it something else....
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    Maybe focus on self aware zombies like zombiland saga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    Only kinda disappointing thing was how Herschel turned into a dick. Glenn would not approve. But on the other hand it works in the sense that not everything turns out fairy-tale. Just because these people were family to Glenn and Glenn was a great person unfortunately doesn't mean his son, of whom he had no influence on, would have to be the same way.
    I liked the scene where Herschel confronts Carl towards the end. It made him less of a dick, I think, to hear why he was doing what he was doing. I believe it made Carl think differently about him as well.

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    I don't remember exactly when I started reading Walking Dead, but it must have been sometime during 2010 or early 2011. One of the guys at my comic shop told me I should try it out, and it was when they were doing the Image #1's for a buck, so what did I have to lose. I was hooked after that first issue and I started getting the collected volumes from the library. Once I ran out of the volumes at the library, I would buy 2 or 3 volumes at a time when they were on sale. I started buying it monthly with A Larger World, issue 93 and never stopped until 193. When I think back over everything that happened to Rick and Carl and all the others, it was an amazing roller coaster ride. Shock and horror followed by periods of peace and boredom followed by a bigger shock and the "bad guys", followed by more horror and unrest and then relative peace and boredom. Just like real life.

    Unlike the Marvel comics I read, the consequences in this book were real. The losses were real and the deaths stuck. Rick lost his hand. Carl his eye. Lori and Judith killed brutally. Tyreese beheaded. Ezekiel beheaded. Rosita beheaded. Lots of beheadings, in retrospect. The cannibals. The Governor's twisted violence. Glenn's horrific murder followed by Negan's brutal rule and defeat and imprisonment and redemption(?). The Whisperer's effed up ways. And the festering from within which was sometimes worse than the actual bad guys. It was what got Shane and Dwight killed, and what ultimately killed Rick. The actual walking dead had nothing on the human's brutality towards their fellow humans.

    But there was beauty and hope as well. I thought Andrea's death was handled respectfully. Rick sparing Negan ushering in a new era of order. I thought Michonne reuniting with Elodie was sweet. I loved the late addition of Princess (I'll maybe miss her potential future stories the most!) and I hope we meet her on the show (I'm a little behind, on season 9 so they may have already for all I know.). The loving relationships of Michonne & Ezekiel, Maggie & Glenn, Rick & Andrea, Jesus & Aaron, Magna & Yumiko.

    My only complaint, is as the series went on, I couldn't connect with the growing cast of characters. I wish he'd kept the cast a little tighter. He'd introduce a new character, and then they'd be relegated to the background, and I had a hard time remembering who was who. To be honest, I had to scratch my head on who Earl was in the final issue, and why he was significant.

    I, for one, loved the ending. I love that it was not a happy ending per se, but a realistic ending. Rick's death was unexpected and upsetting, but Carl surviving (and thriving) is what Rick fought for the entire series. So I guess in that respect, it really was a happy ending. I thought he touched on each main character just enough. Princess and Mercer together was a nice surprise. Carl and Sophia together was exquisite. Herschel being an a-hole was a bummer, but I liked his explanation to Carl towards the end of the book. Eugene still being Eugene was perfect. Michonne and Maggie running things, seemed appropriate. Magna & Yumiko and Jesus & Aaron seem to still be together and happy. Seeing Pamela visiting Sebastian felt like closure. Even Lydia had a nice wrap up to her story. I guess I would have liked a substantial Negan scene...but his ending felt somehow right too.

    I'm also glad Kirkman went out on his own terms. There were times the book felt stale, but then it would get interesting again. I think he just wanted to stop before it felt permanently stale. I respect that. I read the entire run of Invincible. I've been reading Oblivion Song since it debuted and I'm really enjoying that. I started Outcast, but fell off after a year and a half. I may go back and finish it at some point. So, without really trying, I'm kind of a Kirkman fan, I guess. I enjoy his storytelling, and I will miss this world and these characters. Yes, we still have the shows and I enjoy them, but I'm a bigger TWD comic fan than I am a show fan. And with so many of the main comic characters gone from the show, it's starting to feel like something else entirely.

    Anyway, I felt like I had to write something about the end of The Walking Dead, so I'm happy to have this forum to do so. The arc of the entire story is mind-blowing. To watch society completely broken down and see what it took to build it up again, I wonder if Kirkman isn't some kind of soothsayer. It almost feels like, with the way our society is now, after some sort of apocalypse, it could go exactly the way Kirkman wrote it. I hope not, but in the end, humanity does come together to build a new livable society, and maybe something even a little better than before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KROENEN View Post
    I felt like I would have enjoyed the original ending he had planned, just not on the issue he had planned it. I enjoy the idea of a bleak, nihilistic ending where the living dead win; seems more keeping with the horror legacy of Romero's series, like maybe how Day of the Dead ends with them simply moving on an island and not worrying about saving humanity or understanding the plague. And even after reading the entire series since the beginning I don't buy all the post-mortem Rick praise, seemed pretty heavy handed and hollow.
    Same for me, exactly. I liked Rick and everything, but turning him into a messiah type and then having society rebuilt was really not in keeping with the tone of the entire series. This felt like, dare I say, fan fiction. It was almost the same concept as Day of the Dead - but without any of the desperation or despair elements. Just kind of hollow as an ending to this epic series.
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    Finally caught up.

    Ended like a corny kids film for me - could have said something thought provoking on human but just meandered towards some bland conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    Same for me, exactly. I liked Rick and everything, but turning him into a messiah type and then having society rebuilt was really not in keeping with the tone of the entire series. This felt like, dare I say, fan fiction. It was almost the same concept as Day of the Dead - but without any of the desperation or despair elements. Just kind of hollow as an ending to this epic series.
    I feel like the Walking Dead ended up being the thematic opposite of the Living Dead movies. Day of the Dead embraced an almost nihilistic acceptance that society would not be rebuilt and that they would never understand the plague or overcome the dead, that whatever they did it would make little difference; it stood completely against the 80's optimism of everyone is special and could change the world. The Walking Dead is kind of saying it just takes one man to turn it all around no matter how desperate everything seems. It's overly optimistic, almost to the point where it ceases being about horror and more about leaving everyone with the "feel goods" at the end. The more I think about it the more I really dislike it...

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