Was Cyclops right?

[Gambit, King of Thieves]

I know this is really an X-Men thread, but I figure we’re all biased over there, and I wanted to get a more even distribution of X-Men to non-X-Men fans.
So as Marvel fans, was Cyclops right?

[XPac]

I know this is really an X-Men thread, but I figure we’re all biased over there, and I wanted to get a more even distribution of X-Men to non-X-Men fans.
So as Marvel fans, was Cyclops right?

Are you speaking specifically about AvX?

If so, I think like a lot of hero vs hero events he wasn't completely right and wasn't completely wrong. He was right about SOME things, but also made his share of mistakes.

He was right about Hope. And in the end they ended up doing what he initially wanted them to, which was get Hope the Phoenix and restor mutants. But where he was wrong was thinking Hope was ready when the Phoenix came for her. That's where the Avengers were needed to prevent Phoenix from taking Hope until she was properly prepared to control it.

By design, these hero vs hero conflicts are almost never made so that one side is completely right or wrong. So yes, he was right... about SOME things. And the Avengers ended up being right... about SOME things. To say one side or the other was ENTIRELY right isn't entirely looking at the whole picture.

[Gambit, King of Thieves]

Kind of. I’m more talking about what came after. AvX is a cesspool if wildly different opinions, none of them really invalid, but also not a whole lot of use debating.

[Rosebunse]

I think Scott wasn't altogether wrong on a lot of things, but he was also a former child soldier and a deeply traumatized man who didn't really have the perspective needed to realize that he was going about things in a detrimental way.

[Master Planner]

Of course he's right.

[Force de Phenix]

I know this is really an X-Men thread, but I figure we’re all biased over there, and I wanted to get a more even distribution of X-Men to non-X-Men fans.
So as Marvel fans, was Cyclops right?

I think you should write more detailed answers because as XPac stated, it depends what you're saying he's right about. "Cyclops was right" is the same phrasing as "Magneto was right," and I think this did a disservice to his character because I never thought Cyclops was an extremist. He was an activist that did nothing wrong until he was possessed by the Dark Phoenix. They killed off Jean Grey for the murders she commited as the Dark Phoenix, and wanted to punish Cyclops, so they took advantage of the mutant/inhuman debate and took him out like that. If it weren't from the bomb, they would have found another way. They should've done it at the hands of an X-Men villain like Jean Grey, and later retcon it to be someone else like Xorn. Maybe Mister Sinister has a Cyclops clone somewhere, or maybe it was really Scott's clone who died.

[brettc1]

As a matter of course, you can't be right if you are on the side that is opposing Captain America.

[XPac]

As a matter of course, you can't be right if you are on the side that is opposing Captain America.

In all fairness, Steve was wrong about some things too. But Steve made some adjustments and ended up doing what was needed to be done in the end. Like most hero vs hero stories, I think you can fairly say both the X-Men and Avengers made their share of mistakes throughout the story but in the end came together to save the world. Sometimes you need to break some eggs to make an omlette. Wasn't pretty but they got the job done.

[brettc1]

In all fairness, Steve was wrong about some things too. But Steve made some adjustments and ended up doing what was needed to be done in the end. Like most hero vs hero stories, I think you can fairly say both the X-Men and Avengers made their share of mistakes throughout the story but in the end came together to save the world. Sometimes you need to break some eggs to make an omlette. Wasn't pretty but they got the job done.

Pity one of the eggs that got broken was Prof X.

[ed2962]

Marvel was wrong to try and turn Scott into some sort of mutant Che Guevara

[Danileriver23]

Is Cyclops right is pretty vague...but on principle I'm gonna go with no.

[Noek]

I am assuming this is AvX, at which he was half right yes Hope could bring the Mutants back but he was wrong for saying no to Avengers help since in the end it required the Avengers help to I guess complete the training he started.

About other things like schism I guess I lean more to Cyclops since while I do get Wolverine not wanting to have children fight if they are in a position where they need to defend themselves or want to use their powers to help others then ya they should.

If it is about the Mutant revolution I really don't know what that was exactly was he trying to take over a place, or make it a symbolic revolution?

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Even if he wasn't, the story made him right. He was right about the Phoenix, he became a symbol even homo sapiens rallied behind.

I remember the creatives going on interviews saying "you got it wrong, he is wrong", but intention and result are two different things.

[Danileriver23]

Yeah. I really liked the part when he stole the phoenix force from everyone and started boiling oceans.

[MyriVerse]

Nothing he did was really any different than Xavier, until AVX, and he was horribly wrong there.