More news on Hercules and iceman's sexuality ?

[kid_omega_prime]

Ok I found something interesting on http://www.therainbowhub.com/hercule...rvel-universe/

[Darth Phoenix]

I still wish some random hero would bring up Herc's Many male lovers from his old myth's in the 616 and have him shrug it off like what's the big deal.

[ZNOP]

What "old myth's in the 616"? Title(s) and issue(s) please.

[Wiccan]

I still consider him Bi. It was stated like this before with evidences and stuff and the writer of the new book won't be exploring his sexuality in the comics as far as I know, and even if he have a relationship with a woman, I doubt that he will call himself straight, bi, gay or anything else, so I don't think we should take totally in count what he said, it sounds very "Oh, I never saw him as bi, he's straight...right?" situation, so whatever.

[redrunner97]

Am I the only one uncomfortable with this recent re-appropriation of the word "queer" to define gay characters and gay people in general?

A man who identifies as queer can be gay, but all men who identify as gay are not queer. These terms are not synonymous to my knowledge, otherwise the Q in LGBTQ is redundant.

But on-topic, I consider Hercules bi. Lets just wait for the right writer who isn't afraid to take a stand and say so.

[MasterOfMagnetism]

Am I the only one uncomfortable with this recent re-appropriation of the word "queer" to define gay characters and gay people in general?

A man who identifies as queer can be gay, but all men who identify as gay are not queer. These terms are not synonymous to my knowledge, otherwise the Q in LGBTQ is redundant.

But on-topic, I consider Hercules bi. Lets just wait for the right writer who isn't afraid to take a stand and say so.

Yeah I really don't care for that word either but, if there's others who want to reclaim it then they're free to do so. Personally I don't identify with that word at all.

I'm surprised someone wants to re-ignite the conversation on Herc. And I still can't believe Alonso tweeted out that offensive Herc and Jean image, did he really think having his own "hobo piss" moment would be a good idea?

Ultimately I don't think Alonso's opinion will matter if a future writer comes along and wants to portray Herc as bi.

[idisestablish]

What "old myth's in the 616"? Title(s) and issue(s) please.

You're reading it wrong, I think. They mean they wish someone in the 616 would bring up the historical myths about Hercules. They wish someone would bring up the old myths...in the 616. Not, they wish someone would bring up...the old myths in the 616.

[ZNOP]

So, despite the fact that that's precisely what, Darth Phoenix wrote -- I somehow read it wrong?!?

[Darth Phoenix]

What "old myth's in the 616"? Title(s) and issue(s) please.

Sorry I ment his many male lovers from our universe (the real U) brought up in the 616

It would just be nice to not have that part of him straight washed out like they do movies and TV.

[Haquim]

What "old myth's in the 616"? Title(s) and issue(s) please.

Yes, and even there it's just hinted and subject to interpretation.

Also, the original myth has nothing about Hercules being bi. Those were latter additions by greek poets but the myth or hercules itself is really old and it's basically about a huge man with a short temper killing people and monsters with his proportionally huge club.

Edit: btw the hercules myth is one of the oldest "pieces of fiction" known to mankind, it has changed several times through the ages to reflect the changing of times, so to speak.

[ZNOP]

Well, considering that open Homosexuality in ancient Rome and Greece was a socially accepted normality -- I'm truly not surprised that it would extend to their GOD(s) as well...

[Haquim]

Well, considering that open Homosexuality in ancient Rome and Greece was a socially accepted norm -- I'm truly not surprised that it would extend to their GODS as well...

But the fact is it wasn't really. First of all you can't talk about ancient Greece as a nation (they were warring city states with different laws and customs), then you have to consider the era, and basically when people here talk about ancient Greece they seem to refer to classical Greece (5th and 4th century BC), also Rome was an entirely different beast than Greece, they were heavily influenced by their culture later on but certain circles never truly accepted that and the polemic against greek customs run very strong through a lot of roman history (in the sense of "those debauched foreigners are corrupting the minds of our young!").

Let's just say during the era of classical Greece homosexuality was a thing mostly meant for the noble classes and it was mostly an expression of mysoginism (the rationale was, sex with women was meant for procreation so pure love could only be expressed through homosexuality). Then yes, during this era tastes changed and that was reflected through poetry.

[ExodusCloak]

Hercules and North star had a thing.

[Haquim]

Hercules and North star had a thing.

... hinted on one panel of one story about the death of Hercules.

[ZNOP]

But the fact is it wasn't really. First of all you can't talk about ancient Greece as a nation (they were warring city states with different laws and customs), then you have to consider the era, and basically when people here talk about ancient Greece they seem to refer to classical Greece (5th and 4th century BC), also Rome was an entirely different beast than Greece, they were heavily influenced by their culture later on but certain circles never truly accepted that and the polemic against greek customs run very strong through a lot of roman history (in the sense of "those debauched foreigners are corrupting the minds of our young!").

Let's just say during the era of classical Greece homosexuality was a thing mostly meant for the noble classes and it was mostly an expression of mysoginism (the rationale was, sex with women was meant for procreation so pure love could only be expressed through homosexuality). Then yes, during this era tastes changed and that was reflected through poetry.

You'll get no argument from me there.