If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
Geez...
They are not better or worse. They are different. They are the apple to the former universe's orange.
I'm not sure about "common parlance." As far as I know, the phrase is commonly used among right-wing types and the so-called "men's rights movement" (i.e., anti-feminists). I haven't noticed that it's common among the general population.
Sure, I'd be interested in whether Jiminez personally would be comfortable describing Azz's Amazons or any women as "feminazis," and whether he thinks these Amazons are in any way (even as a caricature) presented as standing for feminists. I think he's a feminist (as I like to think I am), and most feminists, as far as I know, rightly abhor the term "feminazi."
Men who treated women as property and took them into custody as spoils of war--and were never even put on the path to redemption--are still counted among the great heroes of Western civilization. That's why I mentioned Achilles earlier; his quarrel with Agamemnon was over would who get to take which woman as basically a sex slave.See above. Men who behaved like the Amazons did for 3000 years and then were put on the path to redemption would be burned in effigy, if not in truth.
"Counter-intuitive" means running against intuition or against so-called "common sense" (which often turns out to be common nonsense); the theory of relativity has been referred to as counter-intuitive--though so, of course, have a lot of much less brilliant ideas. Like I said, I don't mind my interpretation being called counter-intuitive. Interpretations that are solely intuitive tend to be boring.Counter-intuitive refers to the ability of a person to clearly understand what is going on at a meta level. It's nice to know you are so open minded in considering alternative points of view and the possibility your intuitions are mistaken.
I do like to think I'm open-minded, and I'm at least aware that I'm wrong as often as most people are. One of the times I admitted I was wrong on around here is when I initially thought it was OK for Azz to have Diana call Strife a "bitch." Toastedbread and other posters convinced me the real-world usage of this word made it too offensive to some women for its use in this way to be a good idea. I think the same thing about Jiminez's use of the word to describe Diana..
Intuitively, Wonder Woman as daughter of Zeus or god of war didn't seem right to me either, but I came around very quickly, and now I like these interestingly counter-intuitive ideas.
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Achilles was revered for his military exploits, he achieved plenty which is more than the Amazons can say. The Amazons in the new 52 are not even successful in the affairs of war. They use sex to catch men in a death trap, however first time we see them in battle, they got annihilated, by animals no less. They're pretty much the lowest of the low.
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
Not really.
The closest thing I think lines up to "Comic Book" Amazons' departure from what they actually were in myth would be something along the lines of some sort of Wasabi Ketchup sitting where the Tomatoes should be with a sign that says "Tomatoes" over it even though it is obviously not a Tomato.
Nothing really wrong with it. Just odd for folks to insist that the bottle of Wasabi Ketchup is the superior "Tomato".
It's apparently been around since the 1990's and is in the Urban Dictionary online. The description there is interesting...
There's a difference between a feminazi and a feminist.
A feminist is someone who supports womens' rights. Simple as that. Thinks girls in poorer countries should go to school, is opposed to those music videos that consist of like, three minutes of boob shots, etc. Equality is cool, guys. Feminism is cool.
A feminazi is not a feminist. Feminists believe in equal rights for us, feminazis just make us look stupid. Feminazis believe that all men are idiots, wearing a bra is a symbol of oppression (personally I find bras comfortable), shaving our legs is apparently showing that we GIVE INTO MALE PRESSURE TO BE ATTRACTIVE HOLY ****, snowmen must be called "snowpeople", and that any song that mentions a girl is supporting rape or whatever. Is apparently against sexism, making them a hugefuckinghypocrite.
A feminazi is a sexist. A feminist is a supporter of womens' rights.
Feminist: So, did you hear they have a sale on bras this weekend at Victoria's Secret? I think I'll go buy some, I've only got a few.
Feminazi: NO!!!! HOW DARE YOU SUPPORT YOUR ****? THAT WOULD BE A SIGN OF YOU GIVING INTO MALES TELLING YOU TO BE ATTRACTIVE! YOU STUPID FUCKER! HOW COULD YOU BE SO SEXIST? HEIL WOMEN!
Feminist: wat
by A girl who supports equality December 07, 2009
So you have somebody who is apparently a woman and a feminist using the term to apply it to other women whose position she disagrees with. That being the case, it seems to me a perfectly valid term.
The problem with the Azzarellozons is that they do indeed match the description given here of feminazis. I am well aware of the term being used to describe feminists as being crazy people with an irrational and unwavering hatred of men in order to shoot down those peoples valid points [in the same way the word misogynist is sometimes used against men for the same purpose]. The problem with the Amazons in the Azzarello run is that is actually describes them to a tee - which means that these women now embody the very worst view of what empowered and liberated women are all about.
Now I have no problem with the Bana Migdhall having this type of attitude, because from the get go they were sold as the "baddies" to the Themysciran "goodies". The residents of Paradise Island showed what feminism was, while the Bana were just deluded psychopaths who got it all wrong.
Using you example here, it is very easy to see how and why the story was changed for the movie "Troy." Here Achilles, one of the heroes of the movie, does NOT force Brisies, and in fact rescues here from the lecherous attentions of the wicked Agamemnon. Clearly the movie makers understood what I was talking about - that you cant have a character raping and murdering women and then have him turn around and be the good guy, redeem himself, and have feminists happily go along with it. Not without truly extraordinary circumstances like mind control or possession.Men who treated women as property and took them into custody as spoils of war--and were never even put on the path to redemption--are still counted among the great heroes of Western civilization. That's why I mentioned Achilles earlier; his quarrel with Agamemnon was over would who get to take which woman as basically a sex slave.
In this case, I was simply referring to the ability of the readers to follow how you describe your assumptions about Azzarello's convoluted logic. The theory of relativity might be counter-intuitive, but that was written by one of the greatest minds of human history and should not be taken as the yard stick by which the term is commonly measured - in other words, something that makes no sense and fails in its purpose. [except to make money, I suppose]."Counter-intuitive" means running against intuition or against so-called "common sense" (which often turns out to be common nonsense); the theory of relativity has been referred to as counter-intuitive--though so, of course, have a lot of much less brilliant ideas. Like I said, I don't mind my interpretation being called counter-intuitive. Interpretations that are solely intuitive tend to be boring.
I do like to think I'm open-minded, and I'm at least aware that I'm wrong as often as most people are. One of the times I admitted I was wrong on around here is when I initially thought it was OK for Azz to have Diana call Strife a "bitch." Toastedbread and other posters convinced me the real-world usage of this word made it too offensive to some women for its use in this way to be a good idea. I think the same thing about Jiminez's use of the word to describe Diana..
Intuitively, Wonder Woman as daughter of Zeus or god of war didn't seem right to me either, but I came around very quickly, and now I like these interestingly counter-intuitive ideas.
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor