Last edited by dumbduck; 09-06-2015 at 06:33 PM. Reason: Realized that OWAW is exactly what Brettc was talking about
You mean the one where he pulls her to him and kisses her in front of the football crowd? Was that supposed to be Superman being submissive?
In the future where she becomes goddess of peace that only happens after Superman arrives from the past, at which point Wonder Woman realises she's been wrong for decades about who she is supposed to be. So him kneeling in front of her after he has just saved her from herself is just another bit of irony to me.
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
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well i'm tired of male writers making female characters lose control of the powers. wanda maximoff, jean grey, the last one at least got some redemption with scott going cray with phoenix twice.
I like the concept of wonder owman being God of war, she shouldn't just shrug off and become god of peace, that was dumb and disrespectifull with what azzarello did with her. put superman saving her, that was the cherry on the cake
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OWAW would be best described as a Superman-themed company wide crossover. Its born by and large from his mythos. Just like, for instance, Blackest Night was a Green Lantern-themed company wide crossover event.
"They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El
Yes, but you could say the same thing about John Byrne and Superman, and yet Clark has not become [in]famous for using killing force.
After the incident with Deimos, Wonder Woman literally went for years without using deadly force on a living creature. She refused to execute Ixion the Assassin when he was restrained.
There is, after all, a world of difference between killing Deimos in battle to save her friends and this...
Through the back, Wonder Woman? Not even an honorable kill, but "no choice" my arse! That sword cuts atoms - she could have literally dis-armed him with the same result, except it would not have escalated the violence even further. That is the real awfulness of the scene, that Wonder Woman's actions contribute to putting the situation completely out of control and she can't even see it.
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
I'm glad PJ spoke about his disagreement about turning Diana into the God of War, which does not honor Marston's vision. Wonder Woman is the antithesis of war, which Azzarello and Chiang simply - for reasons I will never understand - ignored. They never understood the character and that's why I can't reread the first 3 years of the New 52's WONDER WOMAN.
Unlike BA and CC, PH and George Perez "got it" and respected Marston's concept. There's a reason Marston's Mars was a Wonder Wonan nemesis, which GP echoed in his great initial arc for the post-CRISIS WONDER WOMAN when he used Ares as the heavy villain. Marston must be rolling in his grave because of BA and CC's mishandling of Wonder Woman and their transforming her into the embodiment of war.
But "God of War" is just a title. A name. It's what you do with the title that shows characters, and Azzarello's Diana showed her true nature even under the mantle of her nemesis. Forgiving her enemies, imploring others to do the same. Changing the nature of god and man-- that's what Marston was about, and that's what Azzarello showed again and again.
It was Perez, and later Jimenez, who didn't "get" the Marston's Wonder Woman-- except to remove everything that made her unique. Love as her goddess and primary principle, her mission to transform her adversaries, the mythology of her bracelets and lasso, her vow against killing, Amazon training, the sex politics and the weirdness and eccentricity.
Perez may have stuck to the plot, but he took away all the most important details, turning her into a generic Thor/Captain Marvel mythological hero, instead of what she had been-- a warrior of love.
You do realize that Marston and Azzarello had her killing people as well, right? Nad how was she lacking in love and compassion under Perez and Jimenez who showed Diana as an ambassador and philanthropist? They also portrayed the Amazons a hell of a lot better. Under them, the Amazons were healers, philosophers, poets, artists etc. How often did Azzarello have Diana use the Lasso? And what role did Aphrodite play? Perez had Hippolyta forgive Heracles for his crimes against them and he showed the Amazons growing past their hatred and anger over what had been done with them.
Just because Jimenez and Perez didn't have Diana constantly get tied up doesn't mean they didn't get her.
Last edited by Agent Z; 09-13-2015 at 09:05 AM.