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    Quote Originally Posted by Londo Bellian View Post
    Mr Slott may have a brutal point there, amounting to "Why are you taking a fictional story in a superhero comic book too seriously?!
    No. This is comics. Of COURSE we're going to be invested in fictional stories and characters.
    My point is the whole scenario of a child demanding that an almost-10-year-old continuity shift be explained to them... is kinda silly. It's a very nonsensical scenario playing on the fears of "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!" It's a straw man argument and the original poster should know better.
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    It's magic, they dont have to explain it.

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    Okay here is my point. If not emotionally invested in a character or group of characters why bothering following a fictional property at all? For example I watch Walking Dead because I want to see that happens to the main group, how they evolve over time and if they survive not because of special effects or camera work.
    "So you've come to the end now alive but dead inside."

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    I get Dan Slott's point here and agree that it is unlikely a child would need explaining or would care.

    But for any future Spider-Man fan who gets into the comics and starts investigating the life and history of Peter they will likely have a negative reaction. The story simply puts a huge stain on Peter's character. Peter's priorities in this story are simply incomprehensible and disgusting to anyone who truly loves their spouse and cherishes their future with them. And don't even get me started on how it looks to fans from a religious or spiritual perspective, though I don't share that hangup.

    Also, it will always be a dissapointment that the last X number of years have been spent AVOIDING the one of the best and most iconic relationships in comics instead of celebrating it, enhancing it, and making it even better. The Peter and MJ pairing is such an iconic part of the mythos, no generation should be without it.
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    Yeah. No one's started reading Spider-Man for the first time since OMD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberhubbs View Post
    Yeah. No one's started reading Spider-Man for the first time since OMD.
    Nice straw man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex85 View Post
    Nice straw man.
    Right up there with anyone who truly loves their spouse finding it disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberhubbs View Post
    Right up there with anyone who truly loves their spouse finding it disgusting.
    touché

    Though mine wasn't exactly a straw man, I did commit an argumentative fallacy, should have said many instead of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex85 View Post
    I get Dan Slott's point here and agree that it is unlikely a child would need explaining or would care.

    But for any future Spider-Man fan who gets into the comics and starts investigating the life and history of Peter they will likely have a negative reaction. The story simply puts a huge stain on Peter's character. Peter's priorities in this story are simply incomprehensible and disgusting to anyone who truly loves their spouse and cherishes their future with them. And don't even get me started on how it looks to fans from a religious or spiritual perspective, though I don't share that hangup.

    Also, it will always be a dissapointment that the last X number of years have been spent AVOIDING the one of the best and most iconic relationships in comics instead of celebrating it, enhancing it, and making it even better. The Peter and MJ pairing is such an iconic part of the mythos, no generation should be without it.
    If it's any consolation, generations haven't had Peter in a relationship for a while unless we're looking at the ASM movies with Gwen. Peter's completely romanceless in the cartoon and in the games with the exception of the first ASM game (and Edge of Time if we're extending a little) and the Valentines Day special for Spider-Man Unlimited.

    So it's not like they have reason to think that Peter deserves to be with anyone else, unless they've been just exposed to the ASM movies .

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    "Thanks for the porn, dad."
    "Anytime son, let me know how you like the latest issue of big'uns"
    "Right after I finish grand theft auto: Special Edition- Pimp Ride!"
    "Nice."
    "Uh, dad?"
    "Yes, son?"
    "I found this old trade near your porn..." *Holds up One More Day * "Can I rea..."
    "Absolutely not! I'd be a terrible parent if I let you do that! Now give me that. Daddy has some burning to do. Geez, you couldn't have found a loaded gun or something to show interest in?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Slott View Post
    No. This is comics. Of COURSE we're going to be invested in fictional stories and characters.
    My point is the whole scenario of a child demanding that an almost-10-year-old continuity shift be explained to them... is kinda silly. It's a very nonsensical scenario playing on the fears of "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!" It's a straw man argument and the original poster should know better.
    I got quoted by Mr. Slott. Makes me nervous since I've got strong opinions regarding the SSM development that twisted Party Hardy into Psycho Hardy (I hear there was an old old brief story background establishing Felicia as a one-time mental patient but her current self is beyond the pale for me), yet scared shitless by the possibility that he'll respond about it. The fact that she remains evil in ANAD but also corrupted a new rising star heroine to evil...and the feeling that her SQ is sorta enforced. I'll stop now.
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    Yeah,this question seems way to odd.
    It is like saying how someone would explain why Super-Man was turned in a electric smurf,or by other words is reducing a super hero with decades of stories to just a controversial story.A controversial story in Spider-Man case that was actually retconed out of continuity.(Thus more baffling the point of this question)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    Okay here is my point. If not emotionally invested in a character or group of characters why bothering following a fictional property at all? For example I watch Walking Dead because I want to see that happens to the main group, how they evolve over time and if they survive not because of special effects or camera work.
    Marvel's expectation seems to be that they want you invested enough in the characters to buy the product.

    But not so invested that you would care when they hurt those characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Slott View Post
    No matter how nerd-y someone is, I think we're pretty safely out of the close-to-10-year zone where a child who's into Spider-Man (as the OP was posing) is going to ask about this very specific continuity change.

    Most children don't start reading till they're 5 or 6. Even if a 10 or 12 year old got into Spidey, they'd be coming in through a pop-culture route: the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon (which doesn't deal with a married Spider-Man), the Amazing Spider-Man movies (which don't even deal with MJ), or any of the Spidey video games (which-- again-- don't deal with a married Spider-Man).
    When I had 13 years old and I became to read comics, I tried to understand the Clone Saga, a story arc that happens when I was a baby.

    I understand what you are saying, there are much people who don't care about any thing that happens before theirselves, but when you say "Everyone don't care", you are being very radical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Slott View Post
    Now gather up your legions of imaginary children who are still worried about stories from 2004-2007...

    ...and explain Sins Past to them.

    After you tell them about the scene from The Other where Morlun ate Peter Parker's eyeball.

    WHY WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE IMAGINARY/HYPOTHETICAL CHILDREN?!!! WHY????!!!!
    Dan, I'm with you on raising awareness of the plight imaginary/hypothetical children, in fact, we could use an oft used Sarah Mclachlin song for the job

    Meet the new Blu_Spyder,
    same as the old Arachne_Azure

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