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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    Far as I'm concerned, the shield and the bracelets give Diana a more complete system of defense. A shield is superior coverage to the bracelets. There is an upward limit of how many incoming attacks Diana can deflect with the bracelets. There is no such limit with the shield. Put the shield in front of a bunch of oncoming attacks, and it'll pretty much stop 'em all. Add the fact that a shield can also be used as an offensive weapon and it just gives Diana more flexibility in combat.

    The bracelets, IMO, should be Diana's backup defense. When the shield is out of play, it's what she uses. Heck, with her skills, she can even use them somewhat interchangeably. DC Superhero Girls did a TV movie recently wherein Diana fought the Female Fury Artemiz. Diana did a cool combo move where she threw her shield Captain America-style in an arc around Artemiz. While waiting for the shield to complete it's arc, Diana deflected a bunch of Artemiz's arrows with her bracelets. I thought it was a cool way to show the versatility the shield and bracelets combo can be.

    Meanwhile, the rest of this article sounds pretty cool. Can't wait to see a trailer.
    Yeah...How long have you been reading about Wonder Woman? She doesn't miss. She has the Tiara and her Bracelets. She doesn't need a shield, and worked just fine without one for over 50 years. A Shield is Cap's thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richalex View Post
    There goes that danged shield again instead of the Bracelets....Yeah I know, we will see her do bullets and bracelets but I atleast had to say that. lol
    i know hopefully theyll have some nods to her characters quips

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    Quote Originally Posted by richalex View Post
    Yeah...How long have you been reading about Wonder Woman? She doesn't miss. She has the Tiara and her Bracelets. She doesn't need a shield, and worked just fine without one for over 50 years. A Shield is Cap's thing.
    She doesn't miss because the story never demanded that she miss. She can only move so fast and she only has two arms. Enough bullets coming in would be able to slip by her. And the tiara has nothing to do with her defensive capabilities and it made no sense at all as a weapon design.

    A shield is an Ancient Greek thing. Diana uses Ancient Greek weapons. Captain America does not have a monopoly on shields. If anything Diana's claim is better than his. She, at least, was trained in the use of shields from childhood. He just picked his up one fine day and immediately began breaking the laws of physics with it.
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    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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    That description just sounds like they saw all the pics that we have seen and put a story behind it, very generic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    She doesn't miss because the story never demanded that she miss. She can only move so fast and she only has two arms. Enough bullets coming in would be able to slip by her.
    Oh ok. Got you...not very long. See its kinda her thing. she doesn't miss because thats her thing...



    It's just what she does.



    And the tiara has nothing to do with her defensive capabilities and it made no sense at all as a weapon design.


    A shield is an Ancient Greek thing. Diana uses Ancient Greek weapons. Captain America does not have a monopoly on shields. If anything Diana's claim is better than his. She, at least, was trained in the use of shields from childhood. He just picked his up one fine day and immediately began breaking the laws of physics with it.
    Oh ok...yeah no. If she was meant to have a shield Marston would have given her one. Her Bracelets and Tiara are enough and can do everything a shield can do but better. And yeah, shields were around long before the Greeks i'm sure. As we don't have Super speed and Super Powers. Someone with her powers doesn't need a shield.
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    Yeah and Marston also gave her a whole bunch of bondage subtext as part of his philosophy on sex/romance. Superman was a socialist basically who wore blue jeans and couldn't fly in the earliest comics. But in both cases, those elements were phased out. I don't subscribe to the notion that "if the original creator didn't think it up, then it shouldn't be there." The shield is no big deal imo, period.

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    Nevermind. Not worth it.
    Though much is taken, much abides; and though
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

    --Lord Alfred Tennyson--

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    I've got no problem with Diana using a shield, simply because it would make sense that her fighting style is based around what the Amazons use, as in shield, sword and spear. It's how she was raised to fight.

    The bullets and bracelets routine... if all the Amazons are able to do this, then yes, I would question the need for a shield, but if not, then I would say it's fair enough that Diana keeps the shield and does the bullets and bracelets only when she has to... as she is the only one who can do it, and she's unlikely to have had much training in it from home... being devoid of gunfire as it is, and perhaps neither Hippolyta or anyone else were all that thrilled at the idea of shooting at their own princess with arrows.
    Or it could simply be that waving her arms around at lightning speed, actually ended up looking a bit silly on screen, so they opted to simplify it and only have the bracelets generate the forcefield (or they are saving it for the CGI department and it ends up looking like the Matrix).

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    How can Wonder Woman moving her arms at light speed possibly look silly on screen? Well apparently everything about Wonder Woman looks silly coz it looks like they've done away with nearly all of it. Maybe they shouldn't have made a Wonder Woman film in the first place if that's the attitude they approached it with

    Batman looked silly in that desert scene, the knightmare. That was silly. The whole scene
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamp_Lusa View Post
    How can Wonder Woman moving her arms at light speed possibly look silly on screen? Well apparently everything about Wonder Woman looks silly coz it looks like they've done away with nearly all of it. Maybe they shouldn't have made a Wonder Woman film in the first place if that's the attitude they approached it with

    Batman looked silly in that desert scene, the knightmare. That was silly. The whole scene
    Or you know, some things that work on paper don't work so well when they have to be done by actual people?
    And in this case you have two options really: either you show it going in real-time and we see neither the bullets or Diana being anything other than a blur. Or you go slow-motion and see how Diana has to move her arms from point A to B to C, D... and so on. And if you are on a tight budget, you could go the Carter route and just have the bullet magically be just where her bracelets happen to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside_85 View Post
    Or you know, some things that work on paper don't work so well when they have to be done by actual people?
    And in this case you have two options really: either you show it going in real-time and we see neither the bullets or Diana being anything other than a blur. Or you go slow-motion and see how Diana has to move her arms from point A to B to C, D... and so on. And if you are on a tight budget, you could go the Carter route and just have the bullet magically be just where her bracelets happen to be.
    Think about a hummingbird, hummingbirds can flap their wings up to 80 times a second, the Maxim Gun which is the one they used in ww1 has a firing rate of ONLY 9 rounds per second, she can handle more than one actually. The bullets & bracelets would look like a blur, like a hummingbird beating its wings, with sparks flying all over the place. I've no doubt, in my mind, that the scene would be an absolute treat for the eyes. And then obvi they would show it in slow motion. Hiding behind a shield is more fitting for someone of Captain America's abilities, in fact that's what he did in Winter Soldier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamp_Lusa View Post
    Think about a hummingbird, hummingbirds can flap their wings up to 80 times a second, the Maxim Gun which is the one they used in ww1 has a firing rate of ONLY 9 rounds per second, she can handle more than one actually. The bullets & bracelets would look like a blur, like a hummingbird beating its wings, with sparks flying all over the place. I've no doubt, in my mind, that the scene would be an absolute treat for the eyes. And then obvi they would show it in slow motion. Hiding behind a shield is more fitting for someone of Captain America's abilities, in fact that's what he did in Winter Soldier
    And I would remind you that a hummingbirds wings move in a set pattern in order to hold a position, Diana's arms however is going to have to move to cover 9 different points a second because no gun firing at that speed has ever been able to hit one single point due to recoil... ones at her knee, another at her head, then her shoulder, knee again, lower body, foot... and so on, it's not going to be a choreographed dance.

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    I hate to use this as an example, though the Pilot had both good and bad with it, but the Adrienne Palicki Pilot, where we see her doing Bullets and Bracelets at the end of it, looked quite good.

    Now if a Pilot with far less money than a big budget movie can make it look good (Even with unfinished CGI) then I know a big budget movie can make it look awesome.

    However all this arguing is for nothing...she will do bullets and bracelets in the movie.
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