Speculation/Discussion: What Happens To Cyclops After Secret Wars?

[somacula]

Actual footage from Chillclops apartment post SW

[akiresu_]

who do we have to take hostage in order to get a chillclops book published

i need to witness scott summers, takeaway food and mild substance abuse asap

[somacula]

who do we have to take hostage in order to get a chillclops book published

i need to witness scott summers, takeaway food and mild substance abuse asap

We could order Thai food to marvel each weekend

[Bookem Danno]

As far as I know there's been only 1 page-wide panel flashback to a scene of the Inhuman/X-men war resulting in the apparent death of Cyclops. But it's driving me crazy trying to relocat it. It's a faraway panaramic view of some battle IIRC. Seem to recall a messystyle image so it could be from any book - EXM, UXM, AXM, an Inhuman or Alcuna book? Can anyone remind me what issue # that is or post the panel here? That would be helpful.

This one panel flashback to the X-men/Inhuman 'war' is still eluding me and is still driving me a bit nuts. Has anyone come across it yet?

[dragonmp93]

This one panel flashback to the X-men/Inhuman 'war' is still eluding me and is still driving me a bit nuts. Has anyone come across it yet?

Are you talking about that panel where Medusa is talking to Beast ?, because that's the only mention of the war that i have seen, besides of the complaining of the X-books.

[Diammandis]

This one panel flashback to the X-men/Inhuman 'war' is still eluding me and is still driving me a bit nuts. Has anyone come across it yet?

Are you talking about this?4938245-4610937-uncanny+inhumans+(2015-)+000-029.jpg
This is the only pic I could find that somewhat eludes to the inhuman/mutant war

[Askani's Flame]

Are you talking about this?4938245-4610937-uncanny+inhumans+(2015-)+000-029.jpg
This is the only pic I could find that somewhat eludes to the inhuman/mutant war

I doubt anything will come to fruition about that image with Cyclops this year as Civil War will detract from any planned stories. They've only dealt with Kang from that image so far. But funny how the only book that might deal with what happened would be an Inhuman book and not an X-book.....

[Bookem Danno]

Are you talking about that panel where Medusa is talking to Beast ?, because that's the only mention of the war that i have seen, besides of the complaining of the X-books.

May be. It wasn't the dialogue but that flashback scene of the war in the background of one panel. Was this an Uncanny Inhumans ish# - I haven't checked there yet. Scans daily ain't no help. This is starting to bug me...

[ETMike1988]

... he slept with Maria Hill... and FAILED in the bed!

[DDM]

The best theory I've heard is that he's hiding out as Xorn and still has some Phoenix residue to mimic his powers.

[akiresu_]

The best theory I've heard is that he's hiding out as Xorn and still has some Phoenix residue to mimic his powers.

haha that'd be brilliant

[seaturkey]

It's pretty obvious what Cyclops did, he released the mutant-killing terrigan myst in old school, mustache twirling villainy. Why? Because the Marvel writers want to fully commit to his character assassination.

*For the record, Cyke is my favorite character, but this will be what comes out as much as I hate it, Marvel is dead set on ruining him and this will do it

[MarvelMaster616]

Well I think by now, everyone has seen the big announcement surrounding Death of X. It's official now. We're going to learn what happened to Cyclops and it'll come through Death of X. With an ominous title like that, I'm sure it'll lift everyone's spirits.

But seriously, I'm glad we're finally getting some clarity/closure on this issue. In my opinion, Marvel let it drag out way too long. But better late than never, I guess?

As for what might actually occur, after reading this I think my theory needs to be revised again. I was on the fences for a while as to whether Cyclops was actually dead. Now I think the indication is clear. Cyclops really did die. There's no ambiguity about it. His adult self is dead and buried with no chance of coming back. With the O5 in the present, he doesn't need to anyways. I think Marvel knew this when they decided to bring the O5 back in All-New X-men. This is just another step in that process, taking Cyclops off the table completely and allowing his O5 version to pick up the pieces and eventually tweak the timeline.

In terms of the particulars, I think it's safe to say the 4chan rumor is moot at this point. Cyclops is NOT helping anyone behind the scenes. I think it's more likely that Marvel needs to go for broke here and make Cyclops the most sadistic, evil character they can possibly make. That's exactly what Lemire and Soule are going to do. I think this means Cyclops launching an attack against the Inhumans with the intent of wiping them out completely. Maybe he drops a Phoenix bomb or something, but I think they're going to have him go completely genocidal on the Inhumans. He's going to try to wipe out both the royal family and the Terrigen Mists in one attack. But to make matters worse and to solidify his status as the most hated person in all of Marvel, his plan ends up killing hundreds if not thousands of humans in the process. He fails to hurt the Inhumans. In fact, he makes them stronger, as we've seen with their recent growth. But he does completely discredit the entire mutant race because he just goes full genocidal.

Now I don't deny this is grossly OOC for Cyclops. Magneto would definitely be more likely to use such tactics. In fact, there are a long list of characters who would likely do something like this. However, Marvel needs to take Cyclops off the board so they're willing to do this. And there's another reason for it as well. They have a replacement in the wings with O5 Cyclops. This effectively sets him up to fill the void and, eventually, retcon chunks of the timeline to undo his adult self's evil. I think this was always the endgame for Cyclops, going all the way back to Second Coming. Marvel knew that at some point, they had to kill him and this is just them finally getting around to it. An 8-month time skip is the perfect opportunity and they're using it. And thanks to having time-displaced X-men in place, they already have a mechanism for undoing the OOC aspects down the line. We've already seen Captain America's history rewritten. I think it's only a matter of time before others follow suit.

This is my theory. I would say that they're almost always wrong, but for once I was right about predicting the story behind Death of X. So maybe I'll get lucky again. We'll see, but again, take every one of my crazy theories with a grain of salt.

[Phoenix Raptor]

Well I think by now, everyone has seen the big announcement surrounding Death of X. It's official now. We're going to learn what happened to Cyclops and it'll come through Death of X. With an ominous title like that, I'm sure it'll lift everyone's spirits.

But seriously, I'm glad we're finally getting some clarity/closure on this issue. In my opinion, Marvel let it drag out way too long. But better late than never, I guess?

As for what might actually occur, after reading this I think my theory needs to be revised again. I was on the fences for a while as to whether Cyclops was actually dead. Now I think the indication is clear. Cyclops really did die. There's no ambiguity about it. His adult self is dead and buried with no chance of coming back. With the O5 in the present, he doesn't need to anyways. I think Marvel knew this when they decided to bring the O5 back in All-New X-men. This is just another step in that process, taking Cyclops off the table completely and allowing his O5 version to pick up the pieces and eventually tweak the timeline.

In terms of the particulars, I think it's safe to say the 4chan rumor is moot at this point. Cyclops is NOT helping anyone behind the scenes. I think it's more likely that Marvel needs to go for broke here and make Cyclops the most sadistic, evil character they can possibly make. That's exactly what Lemire and Soule are going to do. I think this means Cyclops launching an attack against the Inhumans with the intent of wiping them out completely. Maybe he drops a Phoenix bomb or something, but I think they're going to have him go completely genocidal on the Inhumans. He's going to try to wipe out both the royal family and the Terrigen Mists in one attack. But to make matters worse and to solidify his status as the most hated person in all of Marvel, his plan ends up killing hundreds if not thousands of humans in the process. He fails to hurt the Inhumans. In fact, he makes them stronger, as we've seen with their recent growth. But he does completely discredit the entire mutant race because he just goes full genocidal.

Now I don't deny this is grossly OOC for Cyclops. Magneto would definitely be more likely to use such tactics. In fact, there are a long list of characters who would likely do something like this. However, Marvel needs to take Cyclops off the board so they're willing to do this. And there's another reason for it as well. They have a replacement in the wings with O5 Cyclops. This effectively sets him up to fill the void and, eventually, retcon chunks of the timeline to undo his adult self's evil. I think this was always the endgame for Cyclops, going all the way back to Second Coming. Marvel knew that at some point, they had to kill him and this is just them finally getting around to it. An 8-month time skip is the perfect opportunity and they're using it. And thanks to having time-displaced X-men in place, they already have a mechanism for undoing the OOC aspects down the line. We've already seen Captain America's history rewritten. I think it's only a matter of time before others follow suit.

This is my theory. I would say that they're almost always wrong, but for once I was right about predicting the story behind Death of X. So maybe I'll get lucky again. We'll see, but again, take every one of my crazy theories with a grain of salt.

I can imagine Marvel pulling this kind of stunt, but then I can't help but think of how up in arms people were when X-Factor debuted in the 80s, seeing as his actions there were so OOC...

[Tazpocalapse]

May be. It wasn't the dialogue but that flashback scene of the war in the background of one panel. Was this an Uncanny Inhumans ish# - I haven't checked there yet. Scans daily ain't no help. This is starting to bug me...

I believe it was issue #2 when Medusa is talking to Beast and they show a flashback scene.