Page 15 of 16 FirstFirst ... 5111213141516 LastLast
Results 211 to 225 of 228
  1. #211
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    287

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    If Yang is right and Mr. Bend is indeed Angle Man, and Mr. Bend is the same guy whose been watching them for the duration of Tomasi's run--which has been visually implied--then no, he's not more interested in Superman this time around, he's interested in them both.
    Yeah I guess we'll have to wait and see. I was under the impression that Mr.Bend was head of HORDR but he's not. I'm still not excited though I think I'll reserve my excitement for when and if exciting things take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Tayswift View Post
    Agree, all those things of wonder woman being edited and really badly edited by superman office stinks. she is a extension of superman right now.

    right now mark waid and chris samnee on black widow, meanwhile tomasi and finch writing pretty bad wonder woman
    And Geoff Jonh is losing a little bit of steam, I'm loving Darkseid War but it's just now dawning on me that Wonder Woman is not as front and center as I initially thought she was gonna be. We'll see
    Last edited by Aula_Magna; 10-02-2015 at 05:43 PM.

  2. #212
    Extraordinary Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,505

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lax View Post
    Romantics are quite fond of labeling consensual sex as "making love", it's what they do. Regardless the point remains that the only moral difference between "rape" and "making love" is consent.

    You keep saying the lasso was used without "valid" consent, what was invalid about their consent? They are perfectly free to reject Wonder Woman's help.

    Also, they're not there because of Superman, they're there because the government kidnapped them.
    No. Legally detained them to investigate questions of public safety.
    If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not

    “The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor

  3. #213
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    1,556

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Silvanus View Post
    Yes, they are perfectly "free" to reject Wonder Woman's help and remain imprisoned. The threat of continued imprisonment is a form of coercion. Coerced consent is not valid consent--no matter who's doing the coercing. So, at least arguably, their consent is not valid.
    Woah, wait. You think that Diana wouldn't have busted them lose from there if they refused the lasso? Of course she would. Did it look like she gave a damn about the government's 'legality' to detain them when she was entering? Did she knock on the door? They were only Clarks friends and the closest he has to a family.

    It's obvious to me that she told them - "I will break you free of here, but I also offer the option of taking the government off your backs for good." If they didn't accept she'd just have escorted them out of there. This is a 'fill in the blank' that a Wonder Woman fan like you really shouldn't need.

    edit- It's amazing how Diana keeps being the cooler, wiser, more level headed one in this relationship. If fans of other pairings could take off their relationship preferences glasses they'd see how amazing she is even with her being a younger, less experienced and more hot tempered Wonder Woman.
    Last edited by dumbduck; 10-02-2015 at 06:39 PM.

  4. #214
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    287

    Default

    Yes the American Government can do that under the NDAA law ohohoh the American dream...But I don't see why Madame Fierce aka Lois Lane didn't just ask Wonder Woman if there was a chance she could just take them home without taking the interrogation. Can you imagine someone "under duress" in the presence of Superman, for some reason I can't...
    Last edited by Aula_Magna; 10-02-2015 at 06:36 PM.

  5. #215
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    287

    Default

    Superman doesn't think very highly of Wonder Woman, does he

  6. #216
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    1,556

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aula_Magna View Post
    Superman doesn't think very highly of Wonder Woman, does he
    He's an idiot.

  7. #217
    Extraordinary Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,505

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbduck View Post
    Woah, wait. You think that Diana wouldn't have busted them lose from there if they refused the lasso? Of course she would. Did it look like she gave a damn about the government's 'legality' to detain them when she was entering? Did she knock on the door? They were only Clarks friends and the closest he has to a family.

    It's obvious to me that she told them - "I will break you free of here, but I also offer the option of taking the government off your backs for good." If they didn't accept she'd just have escorted them out of there. This is a 'fill in the blank' that a Wonder Woman fan like you really shouldn't need.
    Heh.

    edit- It's amazing how Diana keeps being the cooler, wiser, more level headed one in this relationship. If fans of other pairings could take off their relationship preferences glasses they'd see how amazing she is even with her being a younger, less experienced and more hot tempered Wonder Woman.
    That's because this is a book based on contrasts and it doesn't work if they are BOTH hot tempered and lacking control at the same time. When Superman was infected by Doomsday Wonder Woman transformed into the calm one.

    I'm sure that once Superman is back to his normal self we will see a return of wonder rage.
    If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not

    “The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor

  8. #218
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    287

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbduck View Post
    He's an idiot.
    I don't know, last time Wonder Woman took a group of people under her wing, they were massacred so perhaps Superman's right, she doesn't inspire a sense of safety in other people
    Last edited by Aula_Magna; 10-02-2015 at 07:11 PM.

  9. #219
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    1,556

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aula_Magna View Post
    I don't know, last time Wonder Woman took a group of people under her wing, they were massacred so perhaps Superman's right, she doesn't inspire a sense of safety in other people
    I have no idea what you're talking about, and it's not like Clark has been infalible in this new continuity. Rather, Diana is probably getting tired of thinking about the next time he'll be mind controlled/corrupted and she'll have to beat him down again before he commits genocide.

  10. #220
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    1,556

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1 View Post
    Heh.
    Heh, I'm not sure what you're refering to here. Okay, this is somewhat personal, I'm surprised you're pro government detaining family of 'suspects'.


    That's because this is a book based on contrasts and it doesn't work if they are BOTH hot tempered and lacking control at the same time. When Superman was infected by Doomsday Wonder Woman transformed into the calm one.

    I'm sure that once Superman is back to his normal self we will see a return of wonder rage.
    Actually, she was the more level headed one in the 1st arc. Just because she attacked that ship doesn't make it less so. I have no problem if both of them have a temper, I'd just wish we were shown them learning and growing together more often. And maybe arcs with both of them being their best and working great as a team.
    Last edited by dumbduck; 10-02-2015 at 07:44 PM.

  11. #221
    Extraordinary Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,505

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbduck View Post
    Heh, I'm not sure what you're refering to here. Okay, this is somewhat personal, I'm surprised you're pro government detaining family of 'suspects'.
    heh as in heh -This is a 'fill in the blank' that a Wonder Woman fan like you [Silvanus] really shouldn't need.


    I've just watched a whole season of The Strain and seen the CDC heroes trying vainly to get people to cooperate with them as they try to stop a plague in New York. Considering Superman is both an extra-terrestrial and essentially a law unto himself, its not such a bad idea to know how he affects humans physiologically.


    Actually, she was the more level headed one in the 1st arc. Just because she attacked that ship doesn't make it less so.
    We don't agree about that, then.
    If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not

    “The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor

  12. #222
    Extraordinary Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,505

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aula_Magna View Post
    I don't know, last time Wonder Woman took a group of people under her wing, they were massacred so perhaps Superman's right, she doesn't inspire a sense of safety in other people
    This is absolutely true.

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbduck View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about, and it's not like Clark has been infalible in this new continuity. Rather, Diana is probably getting tired of thinking about the next time he'll be mind controlled/corrupted and she'll have to beat him down again before he commits genocide.
    In her own book she brought the male offspring of the Amazons back to her island to live with the other Amazons in peach and harmony for the betterment of all.

    Five issues later they were all dead, killed by a death squad of xenophobic Amazons led by Donna Troy.

    Yes, it's just as awful as it sounds.
    Last edited by brettc1; 10-02-2015 at 07:59 PM.
    If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not

    “The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor

  13. #223
    Incredible Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    670

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbduck View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about, and it's not like Clark has been infalible in this new continuity. Rather, Diana is probably getting tired of thinking about the next time he'll be mind controlled/corrupted and she'll have to beat him down again before he commits genocide.
    I think the person is referring to the mass murder of the Male Amazons(Waste of perfectly good characters).Which to be fair wasnt totally her fault.

  14. #224
    Extraordinary Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,505

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Baseman View Post
    I think the person is referring to the mass murder of the Male Amazons(Waste of perfectly good characters).Which to be fair wasnt totally her fault.
    She brought them to the island, told them to stay, assured them that they would be safe, knew that the other Amazons who had killed thousands of men in the past weren't happy, and did pretty much nothing to ensure they were protected while she was off the island doing little to nothing in helping the Justice League solve a problem with some space bugs.

    She might not have swung the sword, but the Finch's awful writing set her up as culpable through negligence.

    So yeah - sadly since in the last few months her decision making in these matters is questionable at best.
    If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not

    “The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor

  15. #225
    Astonishing Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    2,249

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbduck View Post
    Woah, wait. You think that Diana wouldn't have busted them lose from there if they refused the lasso? Of course she would. Did it look like she gave a damn about the government's 'legality' to detain them when she was entering? Did she knock on the door? They were only Clarks friends and the closest he has to a family.

    It's obvious to me that she told them - "I will break you free of here, but I also offer the option of taking the government off your backs for good." If they didn't accept she'd just have escorted them out of there. This is a 'fill in the blank' that a Wonder Woman fan like you really shouldn't need.
    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1
    Heh
    "Heh," indeed. Not bad, dumbduck. I like your reading, but I still don't think it's particularly unreasonable, under the circumstances, for Superman to look at this situation from the inside--being so emotionally involved--and get peeved that his lover and dear friend appears to be acting as an agent of his enemies and co-interrogator of his friends. He should eventually get over it, but I don't blame him for being angry and disappointed at the moment.

    Mostly I just think this whole storyline is a contrived and somewhat shallow situation that doesn't catch my interest very well, either at a "superheroics" level or an "emotional drama" level. But that's totally subjective, I realize. It's also because I'm not that interested in Superman; this book lost my interest during Doomed, and the same is happening now.
    Last edited by Silvanus; 10-03-2015 at 09:07 PM.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •