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    I'd have had more respect for him if he'd just said 'Yes, I do think that, my faith teaches me that, but my faith also teaches tolerance, so while I dont think it's right, I equally recognise my beliefs and mine and I would never act to enforce or impose my believes of others and will always act in the best interests of other people, whatever my own personal beliefs as I believe religion and politics don't need to mix.' - or something like that.

    Instead, he's just made himself look a tit.
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    He probably had to do a lot of soul searching before answering no, i can understand why he would have doubts with saying something like that still as a public official it would had been easier for him to just say that his beliefs wont be impose on the citizens and instead he would be there to serve.

    P:S: there are some churches, specially in US and Europe where gay sex is not seen as a sin, instead those churches try to help the religious queer people by telling them how god love them and the importance on love, or something like, i am actually investigating how do they work since i find it a interesting as a subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    Can I ask what people think of the Liberal Democrat leader in the UK taking TWO YEARS to say whether he thought gay sex was a sin? I'm amazing the most "liberal" party in the UK had someone like that as the leader. On Sunday he was asked 11 times in 3 minutes if he thought it was a sin, and dodged in each and every time. And finally on the BBC said (two years after being asked) said "I don't think gay sex is a sin."

    Tim Farron: I don't think gay sex is a sin
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39703444

    Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron says he does not believe gay sex is a sin, following questions about his views on the subject. Mr Farron said political leaders should not "pontificate on theological matters". But he said it had become "an issue" and that he wanted the focus to be on the general election.

    He has recently been asked repeatedly in media interviews to clarify his views, but had not answered directly. In an interview with BBC political correspondent Eleanor Garnier, he said he did not "want to get into a series of questions unpicking the theology of the Bible". But he acknowledged it had "become an issue", and did not want people getting the "wrong impression" about his views.

    "I don't believe that gay sex is a sin," he said. "I take the view though that as a political leader, my job is not to pontificate on theological matters." Mr Farron said that with a general election campaign under way, it was important to be talking about "big issues" like health and social care and Brexit. "I am quite careful about how I talk about my faith. I do not bang on about it, I do not make a secret out of it," he said. "On reflection, it makes sense to actually answer this direct question since it's become an issue."

    He also said the Lib Dems had "undoubtedly the best record" on gay rights out of all political parties. As well as questions from the media about his views on gay sex, Mr Farron was also asked last week by Conservative MP Nigel Evans in Parliament whether he believed being gay was a sin.

    "I do not," he replied.


    Yeah, not a fan. Honestly I would consider vetoing Lib Dem on June 8th, but not with him in charge. As such, my vote will probably be going to the Greens again. Even if they have much less chance of getting an MP in, I just feel that morally speaking they are the better choice for myself.

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    So apparently there is a movement for stop str8 women using the term girlfriend and a movement for all of us to use ze as a gender neutral term when referring to everyone. Now while I do understand it's important to be aware of things that might offend/upset others, I feel this is a little extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valamist View Post
    Yeah, not a fan. Honestly I would consider vetoing Lib Dem on June 8th, but not with him in charge. As such, my vote will probably be going to the Greens again. Even if they have much less chance of getting an MP in, I just feel that morally speaking they are the better choice for myself.
    Why vote Green and not Labour? I'm an eco-socialist and I don't understand the point of the Greens anymore with Corbyn as leader, especially when we're heading for a Tory landslide. I'm seriously curious because under FPTP all the Greens do is split the left wing vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    So apparently there is a movement for stop str8 women using the term girlfriend and a movement for all of us to use ze as a gender neutral term when referring to everyone. Now while I do understand it's important to be aware of things that might offend/upset others, I feel this is a little extreme.
    Have you got a link to anything on that? More, the "girlfriend," issue, as the genderless pronoun thing bounces around pretty actively all the time, with different groups or different proposed terms.

    Gender neutral terminology does have a lot of positive uses and only a few drawbacks, but enforcing it would be dead in the water. "Girlfriend" for, "friend who is also a woman," has such a history behind it, even though it is less popular now than in the past (it seemed to come in and out of usage, really), to mandate it away seems more antagonistic than anything.

    I'm proud that LGBT communities have often been at the fore of sincerity and functionality in modern language (and less proud when we're leading the way into the opposite end of that spectrum), but I think the best we can do, is to ask people to be conscientious in the language they use. And, to be conscientious, ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    So apparently there is a movement for stop str8 women using the term girlfriend and a movement for all of us to use ze as a gender neutral term when referring to everyone. Now while I do understand it's important to be aware of things that might offend/upset others, I feel this is a little extreme.
    I thought the purpose of being conscientious of peoples' genders is to be considerate enough to call people by the pronouns that they want to be called?

    Basically, if I am male, and I like he/him/his pronouns...don't call me "ze", bro?

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    Anyone else excited for Star Trek: Discovery and our first openly gay series regular?

    Quote Originally Posted by t hedge coke View Post
    Have you got a link to anything on that? More, the "girlfriend," issue, as the genderless pronoun thing bounces around pretty actively all the time, with different groups or different proposed terms.
    No, it was on a Facebook forum, the LGBT Panthers group I think? A quick google search brings up many links from websites sharing the same idea, sadly the second one is Milo Yiannopoulos. Which re-iterates my thought that it's an absurd stance to take.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=LG...erm+girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by t hedge coke View Post
    Gender neutral terminology does have a lot of positive uses and only a few drawbacks
    I disagree. We still live in a world (and I'm guilty of it too) where you hear doctor or lawyer and most assume male. While the world still has these pre-concieved ideas of gender roles, making everything "neutral" will only cause confusion and disadvantage or offend women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Jammer View Post
    I thought the purpose of being conscientious of peoples' genders is to be considerate enough to call people by the pronouns that they want to be called?

    Basically, if I am male, and I like he/him/his pronouns...don't call me "ze", bro?
    This is my thinking too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silvermoth View Post
    Urgh that's ridiculous. How long did he think he could get away without answering the question? Still want to see when marine was there. There was a ghibli convention near me recently and I was keen to go but for some reason it was on 10pm which is a weird time for a convention like that
    A Studio Ghibli convertion??? WHAT???? Well Miyazaki is coming back (again AGAIN!) to direct a new movie AND quite a few of Studio Ghibli have left to form Studio Ponoc, and their first film is Mary and the Witch's Flower directed by Hiromasa Yonebayashi (the man behind When Marnie Was There and the Secret World of Arietty.



    Quote Originally Posted by legion_quest View Post
    I'd have had more respect for him if he'd just said 'Yes, I do think that, my faith teaches me that, but my faith also teaches tolerance, so while I dont think it's right, I equally recognise my beliefs and mine and I would never act to enforce or impose my believes of others and will always act in the best interests of other people, whatever my own personal beliefs as I believe religion and politics don't need to mix.' - or something like that.

    Instead, he's just made himself look a tit.
    Agreed. He's such a flip-flopper, desperately try to claw back votes, and (based on the Local Elections) failed miserably. He championed his party as the "pro-EU" party, and when that didn't build traction says he's "a bit Eurosceptic". Now he's going after the racial minority vote thinking he can take them from Labour. I actually think he might be my most disliked political leader of a respectable party in Britain; he's both spineless and slimey (a terrible combination). At-least Sturgeon (as much as I don't like her either) is bloody determined and sticks to her guns. And sometimes makes some very clever political moves (though she's over-reached in recent months and it's gonna cost her).

    Quote Originally Posted by mojotastic View Post
    He probably had to do a lot of soul searching before answering no, i can understand why he would have doubts with saying something like that still as a public official it would had been easier for him to just say that his beliefs wont be impose on the citizens and instead he would be there to serve.
    His record doesn't back up that claim, though; despite what he says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    Anyone else excited for Star Trek: Discovery and our first openly gay series regular?

    Not as excited as I would be if the show had premiered when it was originally scheduled. But CBS keeps delaying it, by the time it finally airs, they could well reduce the gay character's role to the equivalent of a walk-on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    Not as excited as I would be if the show had premiered when it was originally scheduled. But CBS keeps delaying it, by the time it finally airs, they could well reduce the gay character's role to the equivalent of a walk-on.
    Truthfully I'm most excited for Michelle Yeoh. I loooove her. Watching TNG from the beginning on Netflix. Man S1 was bad! Who would you have had be LGBT+ in TNG, which is when they should have been brave and included an LGBT+ character. I think Troi would have made sense as bi and LaForge's romances were so rubbish he should have been gay. A gay Worf would have been great, it challenges stereotypes, tackles masculinity in Klingons and erases Alexander. Everyone wins! Ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    Truthfully I'm most excited for Michelle Yeoh. I loooove her. Watching TNG from the beginning on Netflix. Man S1 was bad!
    Who would you have had be LGBT+ in TNG, which is when they should have been brave and included an LGBT+ character. I think Troi would have made sense as bi and LaForge's romances were so rubbish he should have been gay. A gay Worf would have been great, it challenges stereotypes, tackles masculinity in Klingons and erases Alexander. Everyone wins! Ha!

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    It has been 4 months since a referendum for the adoption of kids by LGBT and single people was announced in my South American country but there still no concrete date for when we are going to vote

    I guess all the recent cases of corruption seem to be more important, which i can understand but i wish there was a date already.
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    That must feel horrible. I hate the idea of public votes on gay issues. I guess it must be different in South Africa (I'm not so familiar with the legal stuff there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvermoth View Post
    That must feel horrible. I hate the idea of public votes on gay issues. I guess it must be different in South Africa (I'm not so familiar with the legal stuff there)
    In my country congress has to debate 4 times before making a decision in this case is to change the constitution to allow adoption to LGBT couples and single people.

    The came to the conclusion that a allowing people to vote would be for the best, which yes it bring some problems because well, a lot of the population still see that as a problem to the child.

    Also is South America, no South Africa

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    In South Africa, LGBT people can indeed adopt according to the constitution. However, adoption agencies have their own criteria and will be upfront about whether they accept same-sex couples as applicants for adoption. If you are successfully screened a child will be matched according to the wishes of the birth parent(s),

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