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[KOSLOX]

Utah appeals court strikes down same-sex marriage ban in major ruling

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/25/politi...age/index.html

[thespianphryne]

One of the things that blew my mind last week was that the US Presbyterian Church voted to sanction same-sex marriage and allow their ministers to perform same sex marriage ceremonies in states where it is legal. I mean the Presbyterians may not be the largest Protestant congregation in the US, but they're pretty darn big. So this is a quite a big deal.

The local presbyteries still have to individually approve the general assembly vote, but I imagine that with vote being 61-39 in favour of, at the assembly, it will become church law in a year's time.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/19/us/pre...-sex-marriage/

[Kieran_Frost]

Ha. Well played Latta, SC.
http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-m...gay-1595876287

Great find and that town sounds awesome... but this quote by that mayor genuinely made me feel sick. Someone so blind by prejudice they'd rather leave their child with a known alcoholic than a gay police chief. That is a level of hate that... man, words just DO NOT describe.

[Michael P]

It's self-evident, but still worth saying that that guy has some weird standards for what is and isn't a questionable lifestyle.

[the4thpip]

You created it with the very best of intentions. Focus on the positive, and ignore that (sadly) a few posters can spoil something for the whole. Now with new CBR this is (hopefully) changing. That is worth celebrating.

My perception is that so far, more of the LGBT and LGBT-friendly posters have received temp- or permabans under the new rules than the homophobes, but your mileage may vary.

[the4thpip]

Ha. Well played Latta, SC.

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-m...gay-1595876287

It's really giving me hope for the future to see how fast attitudes are changing in non-metropolitan US. Maybe there is hope for Russia and Uganda yet.

[the4thpip]

It's self-evident, but still worth saying that that guy has some weird standards for what is and isn't a questionable lifestyle.

So should we start a pool for when this guy will be caught with a male escort?

I'd bet on October. Cocktober, if you will.

[Vibranium]

My perception is that so far, more of the LGBT and LGBT-friendly posters have received temp- or permabans under the new rules than the homophobes, but your mileage may vary.

it's about knowing where the line is

and people who actively offend may be a little more aware as to where that line is as opposed to someone who is passionate about a specific subject

[pro]

Damn, never saw this post but man does it hurt given I was the OP of the first "Minority" thread in the beginning.

Sadly some of the posters in that thread are so offensive, generalizing white people as a despised group or marginalizing gays as a less important minority, I can't be bothered to post in it anymore.
Not your fault though.

[R.E.B]

Sadly some of the posters in that thread are so offensive, generalizing white people as a despised group or marginalizing gays as a less important minority, I can't be bothered to post in it anymore.
Not your fault though.

Well, as someone who is a black male and something besides hetero and been following these threads, Im glad that the cards on the table finally. Now you can see who's really about (ALL) minorities/diversity and who really isn't. Its unfortunate but its why we have the threads split. While a little extreme, maybe (the dearly departed) End Of Time wasnt that far off.

***With that said Double 0 and others that support, thanks for always fighting the good fight.

[R.E.B]

So June is Pride month and it concludes with NYC pride this sunday. Yet the issues within the LGBT are always up for discussion notably the discussion of race. Here's an article that Ive been very divided with for the past day or two. Maybe some other opinions will lead to a good conversation:

"Gay Pride Is For White People"

[Vibranium]

as a black straight male, but with gay friends of various colors, even being an ally comes with heat from other black people

they see equality as a line that black people are at the front of and the LGBT crowd can get all the way in the back and wait

that's the myth perpetrated in the black community, that the LGBT cause (since its a political hot button) will see true equality before they do

[PretenderNX01]

KF, have you read David Hine and Doug Braithwaite's "Storm Dogs" from Image Comics? There's a very well written trans MTF character who bonds and has a wonderful dynamic relationship with a bisexual male character.

Event that's lind of interesting in how we see many more MTF characters and activists like Laverne Cox, Janet Mock, Carmen Carrera than we see of FTM trans people. Granted I only noticed this after having an acquaintance come out as a trans-man. Going thru my own feelings and looking around I feel like we are more willing to see a guy "give up" being a guy than see a girl try to "claim" being a guy (I realize that's not what really happens as they are living out their gender but I mean from a perception standpoint.) I think the only FMT person I've seen in media was a chef contestant on Food Network's "Chopped" (one of the more inclusive series on TV as it has many L and G contestants but I think that was the only openly trans one)

The gay community is not one stock character, and should not be portrayed as such. Neither should we "accept" the lack of transgender heroes at Marvel because "hey, it's a slow process, people aren't read, it's just about heroes" etc.

Even still, I've read some arguments against outing a trans person that were thoughtful. When you out a gay person or character, you are telling their truth that they love someone of the same sex (or like messing around with them) but a trans person who is living their life as the gender they identify is living their truth and to say "so and so was actually born with other bits" doesn't really help anyone. Some trans people like identifying as trans-male or trans-female but many just want to be seen as men and women.

Now if they want to explore a character transitioning, that would be cool but it should be handled really delicately to not end up with a "She's a man, baby" moment. I know as a gay guy I tend to prefer not even seeing gay people than seeing poorly handled ones.

[thespianphryne]

Guys, I get that issues of sexuality within specific and particular ethnic and/or cultural and/or socio-economic groups are complicated and contentious. However, this is not a reason to create, or participate in, divisive rhetoric. If you have something to say to someone say it directly in a respectful way. Do not use this thread to deal with issues you have in another one.

[Kieran_Frost]

It's really giving me hope for the future to see how fast attitudes are changing in non-metropolitan US. Maybe there is hope for Russia and Uganda yet.

Agreed. Change is on the move, and it's good to see things like this. I was at university in Iowa 2003-2007, and I almost never found anyone give me a hard time (one of the "worst" was someone made me cookies and said "hate the sin, love the sinner"). Times they are changing.

So should we start a pool for when this guy will be caught with a male escort?
I'd bet on October. Cocktober, if you will.

You make me smile!

I remember when Gillen's Young Avengers first was announced (with no Eli) and we actually saw the statement "this team is no longer diverse" expressed on old-CBR. To some a white LGBT is not a minority. They are wrong, but it is a view I've seen a good number (too many) believe. It's a huge shame, but HOPEFULLY more and more people are educated of LGBT rights, and these things change. Some will never change (we see this in the persecution of ALL minorities), but the vast majority will one day reconsider their views. Let's focus on changing their minds, rather than fighting against people (like that repugnant Mayor) who are so full of hate they will never consider they are wrong.

I still believe one of the biggest changes in people's views is due to Ellen Degeneres. The more people can point to someone and say "well I like her, so many not all gay people are wrong" the more we can change people's views. You see this often with race, someone comes to university (from a vastly predominant white town) where they never really talked to any POC in any meaningful way... and suddenly once they have actually got a POC room-mate, taught by a POC who they like, etc... they start to realise. It's all about exposure (which is why I strongly believe actors should come out, if they are LGBT). Exposure is still key. (obvious it doesn't always happen sadly, but you get the gist)

Well, as someone who is a black male and something besides hetero and been following these threads, Im glad that the cards on the table finally. Now you can see who's really about (ALL) minorities/diversity and who really isn't. Its unfortunate but its why we have the threads split. While a little extreme, maybe (the dearly departed) End Of Time wasnt that far off.
***With that said Double 0 and others that support, thanks for always fighting the good fight.

Double 0 (formerly Kid K) has always been an awesome ally.