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    Today's Devotion:

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    Today's Devotion:

    FULL IDENTITY REVEALED
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    Today's Devotion:

    WITH CONFIDENCE
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    What’s wrong with being a homosexual? The Bible speaks about the sex act (anal sex), but nothing about a person orientation.
    Plus Jesus doesn’t mention anything about homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a choice whether it nature or nurture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    What’s wrong with being a homosexual? The Bible speaks about the sex act (anal sex), but nothing about a person orientation.
    Plus Jesus doesn’t mention anything about homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a choice whether it nature or nurture.
    A lot of today's Christians (not all!) like to disregard the Old Testament, saying that Jesus brought a new covenant, unless it's about something they don't like, homosexuality for instance, then Leviticus rears it's ugly head.
    There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    A lot of today's Christians (not all!) like to disregard the Old Testament, saying that Jesus brought a new covenant, unless it's about something they don't like, homosexuality for instance, then Leviticus rears it's ugly head.
    Yes, the Bible addresses the sex act of anal sex as being an abomination and unnatural. But what it don’t address is sexual orientation.
    I personally think that God is not against homosexuality because he loves all of us. I also believe He is not against same-sex romantic relationships. What God is against is anal sex, which is why the Bible never said anything about lesbians.
    The anus is only designed to get rid of waste out of our body, it wasn’t designed for kinky sex.
    I believe when straight couples have anal sex it’s also an abomination and unnatural, but at that time anal sex wasn’t a thing with straight couples.
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    I hear you lupriki. It says "lying with a man as with a woman". But as I said Leviticus says a lot of things Christians today don't follow. It also says you can't eat shellfish or mix fibers in clothing. They ignore those, but still day the law on homosexuals remains.

    But I promise you, anal sex has always been a thing with all couples, probably going back to the First People coming out of Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    Yes, the Bible addresses the sex act of anal sex as being an abomination and unnatural. But what it don’t address is sexual orientation.
    I personally think that God is not against homosexuality because he loves all of us. I also believe He is not against same-sex romantic relationships. What God is against is anal sex, which is why the Bible never said anything about lesbians.
    The anus is only designed to get rid of waste out of our body, it wasn’t designed for kinky sex.
    I believe when straight couples have anal sex it’s also an abomination and unnatural, but at that time anal sex wasn’t a thing with straight couples.
    Hello lupkri. Thank you for legitimately asking this question and not blasting our Christian faith. I think this is an excellent question, and one which Christians don't discuss enough. To be clear, the bible talks about homosexuality not just in the OT, but the NT as well. And it isn't just the act of anal sex. Here are some verses that cover this topic:

    Romans 1:18-18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them."

    Romans 1:26-27: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

    Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

    Leviticus 18:22: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."


    One thing I want to note here is as you can see from 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Paul (the writer) isn't just condemning homosexuality, he is condemning ALL immoral sexual sin, as well as other sins: adultery, prostitution, slander, the greedy, etc.

    The point that Paul is making here is that ALL sin is equal sin. We should not just condemn one sin, but ALL sin. If I watch porn, then I'm as much as sinner as someone else who is sexually immoral. There is no high ground here. We are all sinners.

    Now, what I'm about to say isn't in the scriptures, but my own personal feelings and it's why I disagree with many Christians on. If Jesus was here right now, he would certainly condemn sexual immorality (including homosexuality), but (and this is important) He would also be the first one to sit down and discuss the issue with the LGBTQ community, just as He did with Matthew, whom society deemed the lowest of the low. Jesus' mission was to reach out to those who felt persecuted, the sinners, etc.

    Kirby is also right. Many Christians snub their noses at those they deem "sinners", while failing to see their own sinful nature. Jesus said in Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

    IMHO, this world would be a better place if we stopped judging our neighbors and started loving them instead. I have two close family members who are gay. I love them dearly and that will never change. All I know is that my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, told me to love everyone and that is what I am going to do.

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    So I was trying to tackle a post on this issue, but kept writing and deleting, writing and deleting...its a toughie.

    It is in times like this, where I have no words and I find myself in times of trouble that I don't turn to Paul's mother but rather John, the patron saint of all Christians who read a Bible verse and struggle with it:

    Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. I John 4:1-3

    Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. I John 4:7-8
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    luprki, I forgot to mention that there are in fact Christians who are gay, etc. They clearly define themselves as such, but don't act on their sexual desires. I would highly recommend the book "Out of a Far Country". It is a fascinating book and tells the story of Christopher Yuan, a gay man who goes through a life of hard drug use and eventually becomes a Christian and pastor. I believe everyone should read this book. You can find it here:

    https://www.amazon.com/Out-Far-Count.../dp/0307729354

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    Today's Devotion:

    THE COMPLEXITY OF HUMAN MOTIVE
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Whovian View Post
    luprki, I forgot to mention that there are in fact Christians who are gay, etc. They clearly define themselves as such, but don't act on their sexual desires. I would highly recommend the book "Out of a Far Country". It is a fascinating book and tells the story of Christopher Yuan, a gay man who goes through a life of hard drug use and eventually becomes a Christian and pastor. I believe everyone should read this book. You can find it here:

    https://www.amazon.com/Out-Far-Count.../dp/0307729354
    I know a few gay christians too. They say they don’t do anal sex, but they say they do mutual mastribation, oral sex and rubbing against either other. Those the Bible address these 3 acts? As far as I know it don’t.

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