Nu52 Dick Grayson - How Good Is This Guy?

[Sharpandpointies]

So, having seen the new Batman and Robin Eternal, I'm now curious as to how good Dick Grayson actually is in the New 52. Astute people might realize this is all in an attempt to work out how the writers are now considering Cassandra Cain, who basically wiped the walls with him in Batman and Robin Eternal #1, but it has to start somewhere and it might also be useful to figure out how good Grayson is, period.

I'm looking for feats/information:

1. Fighting skill;
2. Speed;
3. Agility;
4. Strength;
5. General Damage Soak/Durability;
6. Any special skills/stuff.

[Guy1]

Oooh Cassie? Do you have scans?

[Sharpandpointies]

Sadly, not at present. Though I'll see what I can do.

[The Dork Knight]

His best feats are all from Nightwing 30 in his fight with Batman

[Sharpandpointies]

Got scans?

[FrenchGemini]

For Guy.

Coming back a bit later with scans from Nightwing 30.

Also, I'd like to note that they gave Dick body-reading early in the DCnU (that's how he found out Batman's identity). Does anyone know if it's still a thing?

[The Dork Knight]

He used it at least once again later in his own series IIRC

Also the Cass Cain fight is probably PIS. Not because Dick has a bunch of super feats or something but because he doesn't even try to use the Hypnos mind trick thing he learnt as an Agent of Spyral

[Sharpandpointies]

PIS on the Mind Tricks thing, sure.

But much as one can use strength feats and durability feats from fights where, for example, Superman doesn't use his speed, this one could still be used for helping work out a baseline for Ms. Cain's hand to hand capacity.

[Sharpandpointies]

Also, I'd like to note that they gave Dick body-reading early in the DCnU (that's how he found out Batman's identity). Does anyone know if it's still a thing?

How was that presented, out of curiosity? "He moves like Batman"? Or "I have combat precog/use body language as my primary language"?

There's quite a difference. :)

[Cody]

He used it at least once again later in his own series IIRC

Also the Cass Cain fight is probably PIS. Not because Dick has a bunch of super feats or something but because he doesn't even try to use the Hypnos mind trick thing he learnt as an Agent of Spyral

So...compared to pre-flashpoint Dick, is NU Dick a better fighter than his previous incarnation or what?

[Captain Morgan]

Doesn't look like he got much of a chance to use the trick to be honest. He clearly thought he could hand let her hand to hand and then the beating got poured on pretty quick and he didn't get an opening until they stopped fighting. At least in those scans.

[The Dork Knight]

He had a chance here when she is leaning over him and he is remarking on how she is using non lethal moves

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...1541-batma.jpg

That's longer than he had vs Midnighter

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...agent+37+3.jpg


Body reading feats for Grayson

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...ing+helena.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...stration+3.jpg

[The Dork Knight]

The Batman identity/ Tim Drake ripoff feat

http://insidepulse.com/?attachment_id=312389
http://insidepulse.com/?attachment_id=312388

[gwangung]

He had a chance here when she is leaning over him and he is remarking on how she is using non lethal moves

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...1541-batma.jpg

That's longer than he had vs Midnighter

That's assuming he took the fight seriously at that point.

[The Dork Knight]

Other than that there's the Batman fight which is too long to post so here's the photo bucket link that contains the entire fight

http://s932.photobucket.com/user/the...wing1.jpg.html