Thor Odinson Appreciation 2018

[brettc1]

Which is beside the point if "Worthiness" might not be why he stopped being able to lift the hammer.

Well we'll never know, until we get Mjolnir back.

[numberthirty]

Well we'll never know, until we get Mjolnir back.

Possibly.

I'm not even sure that it will be conclusively dealt with even if Thor Odinson winds up with Mjolnir.

[brettc1]

Possibly.

I'm not even sure that it will be conclusively dealt with even if Thor Odinson winds up with Mjolnir.

If he can lift it, he's worthy. Mjolnir is the bench mark here. Having another hammer gives him abilities, but it does not answer the primary question.

[numberthirty]

If he can lift it, he's worthy. Mjolnir is the bench mark here. Having another hammer gives him abilities, but it does not answer the primary question.

That is an assumption.

I tend to doubt that we will ever know conclusively. Never mind if he was ever "Unworthy" at all.

[numberthirty]

If he can lift it, he's worthy. Mjolnir is the bench mark here. Having another hammer gives him abilities, but it does not answer the primary question.

That is an assumption.

I tend to doubt that we will ever know conclusively. Never mind if he was ever "Unworthy" at all.

[kilderkin]

That is an assumption.

I tend to doubt that we will ever know conclusively. Never mind if he was ever "Unworthy" at all.

Imo the nonsense way he was rendered unworthy and the change to mjolnir background make this irrelevant

there was nothing different about thor to make him unable to lift the hammer

It was a device to allow ja to tell janes story nothing more

No quality she displayed was different to ones thor was showing for years

imo his unworthyness is a nonsense as too was odins inability to manage the hammer

Too long to expound these threads for me, they no longer even matter imo

[brettc1]

That is an assumption.

I tend to doubt that we will ever know conclusively. Never mind if he was ever "Unworthy" at all.

No, it is a fact.

It is a fact - that being able to lift Mjolnir has for decades been a significant feat in the Marvel Universe. It is a mark of special greatness which sets one apart - to the extent where it has been a particular plot point not only in Thor's own first movie but also Age of Ultron. Fans have made a big deal out of the fact that even a character like Superman has not been able to lift it [and that Wonder Woman has ]

With all that history, LOSING the ability to lift the hammer cannot simply be brushed aside as inconsequential. Regardless of how it happened, Thor will not have truly returned to his former status until he once again lifts Mjolnir on high.

[numberthirty]

No, it is a fact.

With all that history, LOSING the ability to lift the hammer cannot simply be brushed aside as inconsequential. Regardless of how it happened, Thor will not have truly returned to his former status until he once again lifts Mjolnir on high.

It was assumed to be fact. Now, we have information that potentially puts that in doubt.

As for "Inconsequential"? I don't know that I ever said it was that.

Thor "Returning TO His Former Status..."? Who said that will even be where this is going? Old King Thor certainly never pointed to that being what the future held.

[DurararaFTW]

It was assumed to be fact. Now, we have information that potentially puts that in doubt.

As for "Inconsequential"? I don't know that I ever said it was that.

Thor "Returning TO His Former Status..."? Who said that will even be where this is going? Old King Thor certainly never pointed to that being what the future held.

Then why refer to him as Thor at all. Jane was called for Thor because she wielded Mjolnir, Odinson stopped being called Thor because he could not. Jane and Mjolnir being dead does not change this. If they renounce that Jane should have ever presumed to call herself Thor then cool (this will not happen) but the name doesn't just default back to him if no else is using it.

There's no reason in universe to start calling him Thor again until the Mjolnir problem is resolved and for marketing purposes they'll probably want to call him Thor again right away.

[brettc1]

Then why refer to him as Thor at all. Jane was called for Thor because she wielded Mjolnir, Odinson stopped being called Thor because he could not. Jane and Mjolnir being dead does not change this. If they renounce that Jane should have ever presumed to call herself Thor then cool (this will not happen) but the name doesn't just default back to him if no else is using it.

There's no reason in universe to start calling him Thor again until the Mjolnir problem is resolved and for marketing purposes they'll probably want to call him Thor again right away.

Jane called herself Thor because Aaron wrote Thor wanted her to and having two Thor's in the book would be confusing.

But he needs to lift Mjolnir again.That has to happen.

[Ra-El]

I think that Marvel will never really answer what makes a character worthy or not. If they ever do that, Mjolnir loses a lot of it's mystery and writers would have to follow whoever rules are put on place or retcon it.

But the thing is, Aaron is touching and pointing out on his run things about the Thor mythos and cannon that he finds problematic and, if not fixing it, at least trying to bring a discussion. For those that aren't liking what he is doing, myself included a lot of times, the good news is that is possible, even probable, that 2, 5 or 10 years after Aaron leaves the title that a new writer would point out, change and maybe try to fix things about the Aaron run that they find problematic. So, in theory, soon or late what is happening in this run will be undone or looked into a new light.

So, for now Odin is a misogynist adn mass murderer, who is hurt because he wasn't capable of lifting a hammer, killed a whole race, etc. But a few years from now he can be someone that is worried that the evil being that he trapped in a rock so it wouldn't destroy the universe is escaping it's prison and Mangog comes back from the sun with Mjolnir in hands to kill the asgardians. Who knows?

[theoneandonly]

I think that Marvel will never really answer what makes a character worthy or not. If they ever do that, Mjolnir loses a lot of it's mystery and writers would have to follow whoever rules are put on place or retcon it.

But the thing is, Aaron is touching and pointing out on his run things about the Thor mythos and cannon that he finds problematic and, if not fixing it, at least trying to bring a discussion. For those that aren't liking what he is doing, myself included a lot of times, the good news is that is possible, even probable, that 2, 5 or 10 years after Aaron leaves the title that a new writer would point out, change and maybe try to fix things about the Aaron run that they find problematic. So, in theory, soon or late what is happening in this run will be undone or looked into a new light.

So, for now Odin is a misogynist adn mass murderer, who is hurt because he wasn't capable of lifting a hammer, killed a whole race, etc. But a few years from now he can be someone that is worried that the evil being that he trapped in a rock so it wouldn't destroy the universe is escaping it's prison and Mangog comes back from the sun with Mjolnir in hands to kill the asgardians. Who knows?

lol and they unite in the end to fight with kurse and malekkth to put to an end to the war of realms. MangogThor his rage gone finding peace at last will then throw the hammer into the infinite void so that it can find a new claimant while Thor laments on his woe exclaiming you threw away the hammer before I could try lifting it up.

[Ra-El]

lol and they unite in the end to fight with kurse and malekkth to put to an end to the war of realms. MangogThor his rage gone finding peace at last will then throw the hammer into the infinite void so that it can find a new claimant while Thor laments on his woe exclaiming you threw away the hammer before I could try lifting it up.

While that would be really funny, what I'm trying to point out, is that right now Jane's story as Thor is one of courage, self-sacrifice and about a woman choosing her own fate, but in the hands of some nest writer, it could possibly become the story of a mortal been manipulated by some divine being, the Mother of All Storms. Jane could, potentially go from a hero by her own choice, to a pawn in the revenge plan of the Storm against Odin. Maybe Mjolnir just carried Mangog to the Sun as Jane ordered, because it fond on him the perfect partner on her plans against the gods.

But your scenario would make laugh a lot more.

[whiterabbit]

Being a strong independent woman = Hating men, being a downright arse, and taking down the patriarchy.

Ah, how the times have changed!

Sif yelling down with the Borsons is hilarious. Odin left her in CHARGE of Asgard at one point. He considered Hildegard one of the greatest and most elite of warriors. What patriarchy? Lol.

This was much more preferable:


Mutual respect, but I guess comics are a reflection of the times, and there is a lot of anger out there, whether or not it is misplaced.

Didn't you know feminism lost it's strive for equality years ago? Special treatment is what they're after now. The opposite of what Susan B Anthony wanted. The Last Of Us 2 trailer had people screaming about violence against women, despite a woman doing the torturing in the trailer, and no one would have said anything if it was a guy. Progressive means pushing another up and taking another down now.

[Panic]

I'm really not convinced any of this has anything to do with feminism - Thor has been out of favour with the Marvel creative elite for a while now. If it wasn't Jane replacing Odinson, I'm sure it would have been someone - I don't think Aaron is very comfortable writing a positive Thor, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see the main heroics in the upcoming storyline revolving around contemporary mortals being given the power of the gods.