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    Quote Originally Posted by krisis View Post
    If I recall correctly, the difference is that Simonson Thor went back to press before it's release date - the implication being that Marvel's originally intended print run was not enough to satisfy the pre-order demand. Also, it could possibly mean they were still physically on press with the book at the time and just ran more of it, or that the book hadn't yet shipped before they printed more of it, or that the shipment was already en route when the first printing hit.

    All of that would be different with a book like Master of Kung Fu. The ship, quite literally, already sailed. We're 3-6mnths out from getting more of them even if Marvel printed them right this moment.

    What's interesting about that (if I remember it right) is the bit about pre-orders. Simonson Thor was so demanded that the kind of places that generate demand did that before release - comic shops, bulk orders from websites we buy from, and book market orders. And, the market was flooded with them. I think I got my copy for $40.

    That's the inherent the danger of all of us just relying on sites like CGN, IST, SpeedyHen, et cetera to get our books rather than putting them on our pull list where we're guaranteed a copy. We don't have any voice in what gets pre-ordered. If something has a huge demand but not from the kind of people who create pre-orders, then the book will sell out in a flash.

    I suspect that's what happened with this Master of Kung Fu book. Marvel probably printed a reasonable amount of them, but sites have no sales precedent to base their orders on so they demanded what they would for any other omnibus of relatively untested material - like, say Squadron Supreme. Then, the demand turned out to be MASSIVE and it sold out.

    While I think a reprint would be good for the folks that so quickly missed the chance to buy it, I think Complete, Epic, or Classic Collection could be the likelier next format (which will cause some people to re-buy it from omnibus form).
    On the other hand, this is the first volume of a four omnibus set (six if you count DHOKF), and if Marvel didn't even come close to meeting demand with the initial volume (seliing out in three weeks seems to indicate they didn't), then it's going to lead to lost potential sales not only on this volume, but on all the successive ones as well. And that might be enough incentive to get more of these printed ASAP, not just the lost potential revenues from underestimating demand on this one book, but on six of them. This is kind of uncharted territory, if you ask me.



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    Speaking of hunting books, anyone who doesn't go to their local used book shops is missing out. In March I scored a mint Eternals omnibus at a Half Price Books for $60. I've seen just about every expensive OOP trade you can think of at the ones by me at one time or another (except Trial of Yellowjacket, I'm still working on that one). I've even scored things still shrinkwrapped, like an Invincible vol 6 OHC for $9 on a $35 cover price. On second thought, no one go to their local used book shops, leave all the books for me.
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    I think we will get a reprint of it. otherwise sales will be low for future volumes

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Flicker Fade View Post
    On the other hand, this is the first volume of a four omnibus set (six if you count DHOKF), and if Marvel didn't even come close to meeting demand with the initial volume (seliing out in three weeks seems to indicate they didn't), then it's going to lead to lost potential sales not only on this volume, but on all the successive ones as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlow View Post
    I think we will get a reprint of it. otherwise sales will be low for future volumes
    Indeed. Marvel isn't dumb and they love money. I hadn't entirely considered it this way because this is the first time since Claremont/Lee we've had an omnibus with a guaranteed sequel!
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    I have only seen it sold out on Amazon, but DCBS/IST trade still has plenty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlow View Post
    they are putting out 4 volumes, but I feel they could of just made it 2 big volumes instead considering the page count.
    I like the slightly smaller books, so 4 volumes is better then 2 in my book. Really hope they make it through all 4 volumes quickly, although other books deserve a 3 and a 4 long before Kung Fu does.

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    My last two cents: I don't have any comic shops or used book stores anywhere near where I live, and I don't have the money to go to conventions or anything. If I can't get it online for a decent price, I can't get it at all. For some things, if there no reprint, I'll never be able to get it in the format I want. The anti-reprint mindset is very exclusive to people like me, who have no way of getting the books we want following methods. I'd love a Simonson Thor, or Lee Silver Surfer, but I'll never get them without a reprint. It's just not possible.
    Cyclops was right

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    We should have a top 10 reprint list like the top 10 most wanted list.

    Here's mine

    1. Ennis Punisher
    2. Wolverine Vol 1
    3. Astonishing X-Men
    4. Daredevil by Bendis Vol I & II
    5. Daredevil by Brubaker Vol I & II
    6. Simonson Thor
    7. Messiah War
    8. Iron Man Vol 2.
    9. Immortal Iron Fist
    10. Silver Surfer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punjabi_Hitman View Post
    We should have a top 10 reprint list like the top 10 most wanted list.
    I can't think of 10 but my top 5 would be:

    1. Simonson Thor
    2. Astonishing X-Men
    3. Spider-Man Michilinie/McFarlane (Surprised this isn't talked about, much)
    4. Deadpool by Joe Kelly
    5. Brubaker's Cap Omni's

    Like a lot of users, I got into the game late (My first omni was in February) and as a result, I've missed out on a bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlow View Post
    I have only seen it sold out on Amazon, but DCBS/IST trade still has plenty.
    it's still in stock on amazon.ca too, although it's gone up $25 since last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashingSabre View Post
    My last two cents: I don't have any comic shops or used book stores anywhere near where I live, and I don't have the money to go to conventions or anything. If I can't get it online for a decent price, I can't get it at all. For some things, if there no reprint, I'll never be able to get it in the format I want. The anti-reprint mindset is very exclusive to people like me, who have no way of getting the books we want following methods. I'd love a Simonson Thor, or Lee Silver Surfer, but I'll never get them without a reprint. It's just not possible.
    I'm the same, Plus i'm from Australia so the shipping makes it hard enough as it is.

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    Again, collect what you want.

    Apologies for derailing the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlow View Post
    I have only seen it sold out on Amazon, but DCBS/IST trade still has plenty.
    It was also out of stock on cgn for a couple of days. But they got more it seems. My guess is that diamond still has stock, and hatchette doesn't but who knows.

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    Suppose I'll weigh in on some of the subjects of the last few pages.

    First, I'm on the side that these omnibuses are collectibles, and a collectible surcharge once they go OOP is fair. These aren't original graphic novels. They're enhanced reprints of issues available in other formats. They're oversized, they come with extras, and they look great on display. But if you can't get ahold of an omnibus and you want to read the story, you usually still can. It may not be your preferred format, but it's still doable. And in the case of Marvel, with their Marvel Unlimited service, even when a book is in print you're voluntarily spending more than you have to. Because it's all right there for only $60 a year. (I know there are exceptions to this, like Max titles and books like Captain Britain and MOKF.) And I love that these are collectible. It's nice to have one form of entertainment that I spend my money on actually maintains it's value. Can't say the same for most of my floppies or my blu-rays. Maybe it's because I lived through all the false promises of the speculator era, but it's nice to have comics that turn out to be a good investment. As someone who's hit hard times on and off since I started collecting omnibuses, it's been very helpful knowing that I can get my money back on all these expensive books when I needed to sell some belongings to help pay bills. Makes it an easier decision to buy them in the first place.

    That being said, I'm pro-reprint on high-demand books. I started buying these big books in 2012, and by then I missed quite a few myself. So I get it. I was never going to spend $200 on Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1. Now, thanks to a reprint, I have it. And it only cost me $50. But there is a downside to reprints. These books take up a lot of space on store shelves and warehouses. Amazon's stock doesn't exist in a pocket dimension, after all. So there are only so many titles that can be in print at one time. Which means every reprint potentially takes away a new title. That could mean we're waiting longer for Uncanny X-Men Vol. 4 because that allotted slot went to reprints of Vol. 1 & 2.

    As for the hunt, it's not the same anymore. I'm 39 years old, so I'm equally familiar with life pre and post-internet. Thanks to ebay, amazon, etc, you're usually only hunting for a good price. Back in the day, price didn't matter as much as actually finding the comic you wanted for sale in the first place. There are exceptions, obviously. For a year, my white whale was Strangers In Paradise Vol. 3 Part 7. Wasn't really a cost factor. It just wasn't for sale anywhere online, except for one third-party seller on B&N that wanted $400. It's so rare that when I finally obtained a copy and brought it to Terry Moore to have signed, he actually tweeted a picture of it to his fans as proof it exists. And yet, finally getting that book can't compare to the victory I felt when I was a young X-Men fan, finding a copy of X-Factor #19 in a long box at a mini-convention in my local mall after months of making my parents pull the car over every time we drove past a comic store I'd never been to, or going to every local convention big or small, just to find a copy of an issue that only cost $8 once I actually found it. (This also goes towards why I have no sympathy for people who insist on waiting for an omnibus or trade collection when they can just read it digitally. Back then, with the exception of major stories like Dark Phoenix Saga, it was back-issues or nothing. Now you're spoiled with choices.)

    And as far as Master Of Kung Fu getting a reprint, I wouldn't count on it. This wasn't a case of Marvel finally deciding to reprint it themselves. They had to deal with right's owners signing off on usage after years of being denied. Situations like this usually come with clauses, like exactly how many copies are allowed to see print. This is probably why all four volumes were guaranteed before the numbers were in. IMHO, if this is something you want or even something you're just curious about, I would order it while you can from IST since they still have it in stock. Feels like a situation where once it's gone, it's gone.
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    yea it would be nice if Marvel reprinted other omnibus as much as they reprint stuff like Uncanny x-men. I

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    Anyone notice the sharp spike in Millar's Wolverine Omnibus?

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