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    True, but I'm speaking in terms of price per issue sort of value. Bang for your buck, not resale price or monetary worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Planet View Post
    True, but I'm speaking in terms of price per issue sort of value. Bang for your buck, not resale price or monetary worth.
    I don't care about resale price or monetary worth. And I know what you're talking about but there isn't much to "bang for your buck" when the product needs cardboard to support the paper block. Better bang for your buck in TPB then, right? If the option is there.

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    So what's the deal with the masterworks? What are they? Why are they so popular? Are they overdosed or regular or smaller? Are they popular because they collect the older stuff?

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    Either pretty cool, or I got the worst manufacture defect yet.
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    I agree that Marvel Masterworks are great quality, but now a days so expensive for the books they are reprinting. I fell out of love when the titles moved past the 60's for the most part. Trades are great and very comfortable to read but for things I know I'll continue to love and reread I wish for sewn binding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewman View Post

    Either pretty cool, or I got the worst manufacture defect yet.

    Very cool. I think those pages were originally 2 separate 2 pg spreads in the 1960s era floppy issue.

    Regarding the current state of Marvel Omnibuses- I agree there is a definite downturn in overall quality but simply citing Masterworks as a superior alternate format is not telling the whole story. Having seen the S.H.I.E.L.D. omnibus up close, in person - it looks fantastic and was only $5 more expensive (at release date) than a recent Masterwork HC (DD v.9), which has less than 1/3 the total number of pages. Masterworks are no longer a bargain. Maximum profit seems to be the ultimate rule at Marvel and I don't see how any complaints or minor protest will make a difference. No one asked for the 90s omnis but there they were. We can praise the quality of MMW all we want but that will not accelerate the speed at which Marvel releases them or makes them more affordable.

    In an ideal world, Marvel would print more relatively inexpensive OHC's at the same rate they publish Omnis and MMWs but that simply doesn't fit in their financial plans for quarterly profit margins.

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    Hi guys, going to London and Sheffield early next month so can any Britons here suggest any good collected edition comic shops or local bookstores around? Hoping to find Civil War Spider-Man HC lying around somewhere.

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    For London, you want to check out Gosh! Comics, Forbidden planet, Orbital comics - You can walk between these 3 in about 20 minutes. There is also the Book and Comic exchange in Notting Hill, sometimes some good stuff in here but hit and miss.

    Be warned, they are not cheap, and I don't expect you will find civil war spiderman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimates View Post
    I've never thought of omnibus collecting as great value. Judging the shell porn threads it's mostly OCD collectors that buy them.
    I love the omnibus format. They look AMAZING on the shelves, aren't very uncomfortable to read (IMO) and usually have a good price-page ratio. However, if I ever buy Hawkeye, I will definitely go for the OHC's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJed View Post
    For London, you want to check out Gosh! Comics, Forbidden planet, Orbital comics - You can walk between these 3 in about 20 minutes. There is also the Book and Comic exchange in Notting Hill, sometimes some good stuff in here but hit and miss.

    Be warned, they are not cheap, and I don't expect you will find civil war spiderman
    The first 3 are only good for window shopping, the Notting Hill one has some deals tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    The first 3 are only good for window shopping, the Notting Hill one has some deals tho.
    First and only time in my life when I was in London I went to FP. A guy walked to the register with a stack of Marvel ohc-s, at least 5 if not more. Couldn't believe my eyes. I mean if I'm a millionair, I guess, maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by victorxd1999 View Post
    I love the omnibus format. They look AMAZING on the shelves, aren't very uncomfortable to read (IMO) and usually have a good price-page ratio. However, if I ever buy Hawkeye, I will definitely go for the OHC's.
    Its crazy that they did the one OHC, then announced the omnibus and are now doing another OHC too. If you bought the first OHC its stupid to buy the Omni now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    Trades are great and very comfortable to read but for things I know I'll continue to love and reread I wish for sewn binding.
    I was reading my Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1 (Marvel Now) TPB the other day and I noticed it was sewn. So just because it's a trade doesn't mean it doesn't have a sewn binding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch View Post
    I was reading my Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1 (Marvel Now) TPB the other day and I noticed it was sewn. So just because it's a trade doesn't mean it doesn't have a sewn binding.
    Do you mean the evenly-spaced marks that are visible in the gutter when you hold the book the whole way open? These are notches that allow the binding glue to hold the pages in more firmly and are generally in every TPB, they aren't sewn signatures like in a hardcover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DantonR View Post
    But, beyond that, the quality of the books has become an issue and this has mostly to do w/ their size.

    I mean, let's face it: time will not be kind -- and I'm not talking about 40-50 years here; I'm talking about 10 years approx. -- to the bulkier volumes -- the Simonson Thor, the Stern Spider-Man (which I received w/ the ribbon already separated from the spine), and the Busiek Avengers.

    The fact that many of you resort to time-consuming things like placing sticky-notes or carefully cut cardboard under the paper blocks to "preserve" them (b/c the weight of the paper in the volume clearly exceeds the quality of the build ) is proof of an inferior product. Why are you doing all of that work?

    In the beginning, I loved the IDEA of the omnibus -- a large collection of issues in one place, the oversized presentation, all of that. But experience w/ these volumes has sobered me quite a bit on the many issues in one volume format.

    Any other format is the way to go: Masterworks, OHC, PHC, and even TPB editions (I mean, I'll take my Avengers Assemble TPBs of Busiek's run over the new 1000+ page omni volumes any day).

    Don't get me wrong: I love (most) of the omnibus volumes I've purchased -- w/ the exception being AoA, which is the worst volume sitting on my shelf (and I will never read Onslaught so I guess AoA will keep that title) -- but the other formats I've listed above are so much better for collectors or readers. Omnis to me now just seem like cheaply-made Cadillacs...

    ... but if you can't find it in another format...
    You've pretty much summed up my feelings on the subject. The build quality on these Marvel Omnibuses has tanked ever since the Michelinie Iron Man book--cheaper paper, cheap paper casewrap that scuffs easily and absorbs fingerprints, and problems with the bindings. I shouldn't have to work so hard as to create cardboard supports for each book I buy in hopes that the binding won't be damaged by its own weight.

    I rarely buy any omnibuses anymore (used to buy one or two per month). I was tempted to buy Werewolf By Night, but its too huge to comfortably read and has all the aforementioned problems with build quality. The only Marvel books I routinely buy are Masterworks hardcovers. If I can find a TPB at a huge discount I might bite (bought a huge pile for a $1 each at a used bookstore a while back), but I'm not a huge fan of Marvel TPBs because they usually use cheap paper for those too (I was in the LCS yesterday and noticed the pages wrinkling on some Epics). Besides $40 for a glued paperback doesn't make me want to start collecting Marvel TPBs either.

    The last couple of months I've bought fewer and fewer books and my reading has dropped off considerably. I've been spending more time and money on other hobbies. I might be feeling a bit of comic burnout. :-/

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