View Poll Results: What hardcover format do you prefer?

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    267 41.40%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destro777 View Post
    I was thinking of giving Waid's 2004-ish Legion reboot's first 13 issues or so a try as well. Any opinions there?
    That whole volume is what sunk the franchise, imho. First, they let Waid have carte blanche - which I'm fine with in concept, because Waid is usually awesome - but this was a case of "if it ain't broke..", and Waid treated the franchise as if it were broke. That said, the early issues aren't horrible; they're decent comics but they had no reason to exist. They really read like a vanity project. Fast forward to #16 (18?) and Supergirl is thrown in as the star of the show. We got some good art, but again, the stories left me thinking "ok... but why?". The less said about the final 3rd of the volume (Shooter's return) the better.

    I digress. To answer your question, give the first trade or two a shot (they're both available for cheap) they're the best of that particular volume. You get good art from Kitson, and some fun ideas that don't really go anywhere.
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    I would agree with that. I think the first two volumes are actually pretty decent, but I did have a hard time separating the book with the decision to reboot the entire franchise. I didn’t understand why Waid and Kitson couldn’t have just taken over The Legion (I think that was the title cancelled to make room for the Threeboot? It’s been a minute) or, if DC was just looking for a sales boost, relaunch their run with a new #1.

    But I’d recommend checking out the first two trades, maybe even the first three, however many they put out before Supergirl joins. It definitely became a different book after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adset View Post
    I would agree with that. I think the first two volumes are actually pretty decent, but I did have a hard time separating the book with the decision to reboot the entire franchise. I didn’t understand why Waid and Kitson couldn’t have just taken over The Legion (I think that was the title cancelled to make room for the Threeboot? It’s been a minute) or, if DC was just looking for a sales boost, relaunch their run with a new #1.

    But I’d recommend checking out the first two trades, maybe even the first three, however many they put out before Supergirl joins. It definitely became a different book after that.
    Exactly. I've always said this. The Threeboot was a bad and unnecessary editorial or creatiive decision (not sure which it was). There was nothing that could've prevented Waid from telling the story he wanted with the Zero-Hour Reboot/DnA Legion, with only some minor tweaking, and the new reboot only served to really further weaken the franchise as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomads1 View Post
    Exactly. I've always said this. The Threeboot was a bad and unnecessary editorial or creatiive decision (not sure which it was). There was nothing that could've prevented Waid from telling the story he wanted with the Zero-Hour Reboot/DnA Legion, with only some minor tweaking, and the new reboot only served to really further weaken the franchise as a whole.

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    I'm pretty sure the Threeboot was a mandate from editorial and not something Waid wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJNeal View Post
    That whole volume is what sunk the franchise, imho. First, they let Waid have carte blanche - which I'm fine with in concept, because Waid is usually awesome - but this was a case of "if it ain't broke..", and Waid treated the franchise as if it were broke. That said, the early issues aren't horrible; they're decent comics but they had no reason to exist. They really read like a vanity project. Fast forward to #16 (18?) and Supergirl is thrown in as the star of the show. We got some good art, but again, the stories left me thinking "ok... but why?". The less said about the final 3rd of the volume (Shooter's return) the better.

    I digress. To answer your question, give the first trade or two a shot (they're both available for cheap) they're the best of that particular volume. You get good art from Kitson, and some fun ideas that don't really go anywhere.
    Thanks for your input (and others in this thread as well). Just briefly, and recently, researching about the Legion, it seems Waid's Threeboot was basically ordered by DC to try to get away from the ultra detailed and near impenetrable Legion mythos for new readers. But looking back after all these years - that grand history is the main element that makes the Legion so great.

    Basically for me just discovering this stuff in 2022 - its a crime the Legion is barely collected by DC. Ill never be able to read it outside of digging for the backissues.
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    As someone who had never read LSH before, the threeboot was a great place to start. Newbies like me were the target audience and we liked it. I’m not interested in the pre-Crisis LSH, and I doubt most readers are interested in starting with 1950s comic books. Plus, Clark Kent as Superboy is stupid and lame as hell (which is why I don’t like his post-Infinite Crisis history and status quo). Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleWayne View Post
    As someone who had never read LSH before, the threeboot was a great place to start. Newbies like me were the target audience and we liked it. I’m not interested in the pre-Crisis LSH, and I doubt most readers are interested in starting with 1950s comic books. Plus, Clark Kent as Superboy is stupid and lame as hell (which is why I don’t like his post-Infinite Crisis history and status quo). Just my two cents.
    Count me in as one of the few who think the Legion franchise is strong enough to stand on it's own, without being chained to the Superman mythos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJNeal View Post
    Count me in as one of the few who think the Legion franchise is strong enough to stand on it's own, without being chained to the Superman mythos.

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    I agree. I never knew why 'Sci Fi Heroes in the Future' needed a time traveling Superboy for the team to work. I only read a few pre Crisis LoSH stories, but Superboy was the least interesting character.

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    I liked Superboy before Crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJNeal View Post
    Count me in as one of the few who think the Legion franchise is strong enough to stand on it's own, without being chained to the Superman mythos.

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    I agree I very much enjoyed that period of Legion.

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    My favorite Legion Comics feature Superboy. There’s a run by Jim Shooter that still is my favorite Legion stories. From Ferro Lad to the Adult Legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJNeal View Post
    Count me in as one of the few who think the Legion franchise is strong enough to stand on it's own, without being chained to the Superman mythos.

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    I'm of the same opinion.

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