View Poll Results: What hardcover format do you prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slop101 View Post
    So are we getting a John Byrne Superman collection or not?
    Last news out of DC says not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    So they're leaving a gap of 3 issues for those of us trying to collect a complete run??
    Yes and no. It depends which source you are getting the information from:

    amazon.uk and forbidden planet: the book will start from the issue 149
    https://forbiddenplanet.com/277379-j...ing-hardcover/
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Justice-Lea...3X4G79B6Z6XBEH

    amazon.com and previewsworld: the book will start form the issue 147

    https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/JUN190605
    https://www.amazon.com/Justice-Leagu...9216402&sr=8-1
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    Thanks. If this were Marvel, I wouldn't have a doubt and would go ahead and pre-order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    Thanks. If this were Marvel, I wouldn't have a doubt and would go ahead and pre-order.
    Exactly. Consumer confidence is at an all time low with DC... they are using preorders to gauge how many copies their books will sell and if there aren’t enough preorders they cancel... but if they do that too many times (which they have) less and less people will preorder...

    There comes a point when after so many blunders a company simply can’t recover the confidence that they have lost. So it is with DC.

    The only thing that will save them is firing the people in charge of their collected editions and restructuring because I can’t imagine the people who are currently working for them having the ability to stop making bad decisions and start making good ones. This didn’t happen overnight. This is the result of years of bad practices on their part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus7 View Post
    Hardcovers/Deluxe/Omni:
    1. Animal Man Deluxe HC vol. 2. No news at all.
    2. JLA BA Omni vol. 3 replaced with standard HC
    3. B&B Omni vol. 3
    4. Tales of the Batman by Alan Davis vol 2. Replaced with the Caped Crusader TPB line
    5. Unwritten Deluxe Vol 2 onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    Thanks. If this were Marvel, I wouldn't have a doubt and would go ahead and pre-order.
    But there's the rub, you see, that if you (and others) DON'T preorder, then they might assume interest is "too low" and cancel it altogether. It's a viscous circle.
    Now I'm with you, I'm not going to preorder a book that might get cancelled and have to deal with getting my money back and all that. But it seems like that's how they do things these days.
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    The problem's not that it might get cancelled. The problem is that they can't correctly solicit their books since forever. The solicitation said it starts with #149, and then there was info that it might actually start with #147, but it was only from a retailer who supposedly was told that, but it never got officially out for example on Comic List. So Danno says they need preorders to publish books, but doesn't say how people are supposed to make decision to preorder when the info they are basing their decision on is unreliable. Yes, the book can always have production problems you'd only find out about after you see it, but not knowing what is supposed to be in it in the first place? Start with fixing that, genius, then blame the customers when they don't bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Wisdom View Post
    The problem's not that it might get cancelled. The problem is that they can't correctly solicit their books since forever. The solicitation said it starts with #149, and then there was info that it might actually start with #147, but it was only from a retailer who supposedly was told that, but it never got officially out for example on Comic List. So Danno says they need preorders to publish books, but doesn't say how people are supposed to make decision to preorder when the info they are basing their decision on is unreliable. Yes, the book can always have production problems you'd only find out about after you see it, but not knowing what is supposed to be in it in the first place? Start with fixing that, genius, then blame the customers when they don't bite.
    I burn on that DC approach. DC started two Batman TPB lines, the Caped Crusader and Dark Detective, at the moment the best way to collect all the issues leading to the Knightfall, ALMOST.

    It was solicited that the Caped Crusader vol. 1 should contain BATMAN #417-430 and BATMAN ANNUAL #12. After the purchase it turned out DC omitted issues BATMAN #426-429 - Death in the family. Unpleasant surprise to say the least.

    Source: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Batman-Cape...WNN8MZNFF18E96

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    The actual soliciation through Diamond, rather than one from the book catalogue (which they could also work on being correct more often), of Caped Crusader vol. 1 lists the contents correctly. But vol.2:

    This collection of 1980s Batman tales includes the legendary story “A Lonely Place of Dying,” in which a new Robin emerges in the form of computer hacker Tim Drake, who rescues Batman from The Joker and Two-Face. This volume also includes the mystery story “The Many Deaths of Batman,” and a run of stories in which the Dark Knight must stop crime boss Zucco. Collects Batman #433-444 and Batman Annual #13.
    With the Titans issues missing, it's more like 60% of the legendary story. Of course the released book doesn't have the story at all. But before you could only guess whether it would have all, none or half of it. There was no further info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Wisdom View Post
    The actual soliciation through Diamond, rather than one from the book catalogue (which they could also work on being correct more often), of Caped Crusader vol. 1 lists the contents correctly. But vol.2:



    With the Titans issues missing, it's more like 60% of the legendary story. Of course the released book doesn't have the story at all. But before you could only guess whether it would have all, none or half of it. There was no further info.
    I think the idea was to avoid double dipping. Unfortunately, the descriptions were incorrect and confusing. Which is a recurring problem with DC collections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
    Last news out of DC says not.
    Boo!

    Meanwhile, Marvel is releasing almost every bit of scrap that Byrne's created for them in different Omnibus, and DC can't even be bothered to do the best thing he's done for them for their flagship character.

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    And from the newest solicitations, Wonder Woman: The Last True Hero Book One, no longer labelled "by Messner-Loebs", but still described as collecting his run and still missing Joey Cavalieri's fill-in from #65. With a proper publisher, you'd be sure #65 is not in the book because it says so and you can pre-order or not depending on that info. But this is DC, so you might think solicitation is wrong and #65 is in it, and you'd probably be right. But then there's always a chance the solicitation happens to be correct and you get a book without an issue you wanted, but can't complain, because you were told it wouldn't be included. How many people will take a gamble? Enough for Danno to not cancel it because pre-orders were too low?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Wisdom View Post
    And from the newest solicitations, Wonder Woman: The Last True Hero Book One, no longer labelled "by Messner-Loebs", but still described as collecting his run and still missing Joey Cavalieri's fill-in from #65. With a proper publisher, you'd be sure #65 is not in the book because it says so and you can pre-order or not depending on that info. But this is DC, so you might think solicitation is wrong and #65 is in it, and you'd probably be right. But then there's always a chance the solicitation happens to be correct and you get a book without an issue you wanted, but can't complain, because you were told it wouldn't be included. How many people will take a gamble? Enough for Danno to not cancel it because pre-orders were too low?
    I'm taking the risk and pre-ordering this one. We already have the Deodato collection, which is also the back 1/3 of Messner-Loebs' run, so if DC doesn't drop the ball they only need to spit out "The Last True Hero Book Two" and we'll have the complete M-L's run.

    The omitted #65 is annoying, to be sure, but it was a self-contained fill in that won't effect reading enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJNeal View Post
    I'm taking the risk and pre-ordering this one. We already have the Deodato collection, which is also the back 1/3 of Messner-Loebs' run, so if DC doesn't drop the ball they only need to spit out "The Last True Hero Book Two" and we'll have the complete M-L's run.

    The omitted #65 is annoying, to be sure, but it was a self-contained fill in that won't effect reading enjoyment.
    Seeing them omit #65 is a bit disappointing from a completionist standpoint - I think it's fair to guess that if/when we get to Flash by Waid v8 (or maybe they'll call it Flash: The Second True Hero Book One so that we don't have a big number on the spine), they won't run us all the way to the beginning of the Flash by Johns volumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus7 View Post
    I burn on that DC approach. DC started two Batman TPB lines, the Caped Crusader and Dark Detective, at the moment the best way to collect all the issues leading to the Knightfall, ALMOST.

    It was solicited that the Caped Crusader vol. 1 should contain BATMAN #417-430 and BATMAN ANNUAL #12. After the purchase it turned out DC omitted issues BATMAN #426-429 - Death in the family. Unpleasant surprise to say the least.
    The "Death In The Family" TPB contains Batman #426-429 and #440-442 plus The New Titans #60-61, so why release exactly the same content again in the Caped Crusader Series?

    There's already enough doubling between Caped Crusader/Dark Detective TPBs and Legends Of The Dark Knight/Tales Of The Batman HCs.

    Let's just hope these will be released long enough to completely cover the gap between COIE and Knightfall.

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