All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[emac1790]

Again, all of this because somebody was walking in the street instead of the sidewalk? At the very least, it was bad judgment on the officer.

Of course, being a police officer is a dangerous job. No one is saying otherwise. But there are many officers that never used their weapon in the line of duty. If you can't deal with people, why be a public servant?

[JediMindTrick]

Those aren't contradictory events.

And let's remember that the penalty for felony assault is not public street execution.

Which is why no one except the cop haters are claiming that. The reason that Wilson apparently claims he shot Brown was because he had already been punched and Brown was coming back at him to attack again. Hardly the same thing as what you just said.

[Kasper Cole]

Those aren't contradictory events.

And let's remember that the penalty for felony assault is not public street execution.

And it should be noted that the supposed Darren Wilson account is the only one saying Mike Brown prevented Wilson from getting out of the car. The other accounts that mention it say Wilson swung the door open and Mike Brown was so close that it bounced off his leg or arm and shut.

[JediMindTrick]

If you don't know the extent of his injuries then why do you keep assuming he suffered some brutal beating?

You also keep bringing up that Mike Brown ran back towards Darren Wilson even though none of the witnesses that have come forward have said such a thing.

Actually what I said is that the witnesses who claim Brown was shot in the back were either lying or very incorrect. The autopsy proves that Brown was facing Wilson when shot.

The audio recording claims Brown was charging Wilson. Wilson apparently said that Brown was coming at him.

[emac1790]

I didn't see it coming in time to block or duck.

My point is though that I've also taken punches that basically just hurt but didn't really cause much injury or stun my brain at all like the one I mentioned did. Its not really in dispute that Wilson took a punch so we have to know how bad that punch screwed him up.

As I said much earlier in this thread, if the cops had done what so many here had demanded then Wilson would have had a slam dunk get out of jail free exoneration at any trial. Any decent lawyer would put up expert after expert on head injuries talking about punches and how they can affect your thinking, your vision, etc. Wilson would have lawyered up immediately so no one would know his story until trial. He would get on the stand and tearfully talk about how he was nearly knocked out and he'd give symptom similar to what I described when I was punched. He would talk about he saw Brown coming back at him. At that point with his documented injuries and all the expert having talked about how head injuries can impair perception it wouldn't matter one iota what Brown truly did or did not do when he turned around because it would have been proven well beyond the reasonable doubt necessary that Wilson was in fear of his life largely due to his already sustained head injury.

By doing a full investigation now the investigators have Wilson's story locked down. They can compare and contrast it to the forensics. They can see if his actions and demeanor in the hours following are consistent with a head injury (confusion, concussion, and other things like that to look for). All of that would have been lost by an immediate arrest.

An excuse is still an excuse. I have a feeling that if Michael Brown was White, this wouldn't have happened.

BTW, there are no reports from any hospital or police official that Wilson had a head injury. So just stop with that.

[Jeff Brady]

Which is why no one except the cop haters are claiming that. The reason that Wilson apparently claims he shot Brown was because he had already been punched and Brown was coming back at him to attack again. Hardly the same thing as what you just said.

If someone unlawfully grabs your throat, how isn't your first instinct self-defense?

[Pinsir]

A kid tries to come out as gay. His family is less than understanding.

[Vibranium]

Actually what I said is that the witnesses who claim Brown was shot in the back were either lying or very incorrect. The autopsy proves that Brown was facing Wilson when shot.

The audio recording claims Brown was charging Wilson. Wilson apparently said that Brown was coming at him.

I believe the statements were "it looked like he was shot" and when the first shot was fired...Brown stopped and turned around

[Kasper Cole]

Actually what I said is that the witnesses who claim Brown was shot in the back were either lying or very incorrect. The autopsy proves that Brown was facing Wilson when shot.

The audio recording claims Brown was charging Wilson. Wilson apparently said that Brown was coming at him.

The autopsy proves none of the bullets that entered his body came from behind. The person who did the independent autopsy wasn't given Mike Brown's clothing so he couldn't check evidence of the the clothing having gunpowder residue or marks from a possible bullet graze. The only witness that actually said Mike Brown was shot from behind was his friend, everyone else says they saw his body jerk as if he had been shot.

What audio recording said Brown was running towards him? The only one I can imagine you're talking about is the one being circulated on right wing blogs that hasn't been verified by anyone.

The closest thing we have to Darren Wilson's account is what the Chief of Police (whose been caught telling multiple lies) has said, and third hand information from an anonymous "friend" of Darren Wilson.

As I said earlier if you want to say witness accounts are unreliable fine, but you can't say that and then place hearsay to argue against first hand witness accounts.

[Kasper Cole]

And all this talk of size difference is BS for the simple fact that Mike Brown ran away from Darren Wilson after the first gunshot.

Nobody has been able to come up with any reasonable explanation why someone would run from a single gunshot and then run back at the person holding the gun...

[the4thpip]

Actually what I said is that the witnesses who claim Brown was shot in the back were either lying or very incorrect. The autopsy proves that Brown was facing Wilson when shot.

Did you miss the part where Ferguson police already admitted that Wilson shot at Brown from behind before Brown turned around and put his arms up?

[emac1790]

Actually what I said is that the witnesses who claim Brown was shot in the back were either lying or very incorrect. The autopsy proves that Brown was facing Wilson when shot.

The audio recording claims Brown was charging Wilson. Wilson apparently said that Brown was coming at him.

An unarmed man was still shot. It's not like Michael Brown was on top of Wilson, beating the hell out of him. If he was, where are the hospital and police records of such an action. Like you said, Michael Brown was way bigger than Wilson.

[Vibranium]

still waiting on the original autopsy

also repeating no mention of this assault in the incident report

[Kasper Cole]

still waiting on the original autopsy

also repeating no mention of this assault in the incident report

Also still waiting on all these witness accounts that supposedly contradict each other. The only things I've found have been that person who claimed to be a friend of Darren Wilson's wife (who wasn't there) and the Police Chief (who also wasn't there). The confirmed witnesses who were all there are saying the same thing. They might explain what happened in slightly different ways but none of their accounts contradict each other.

[Kasper Cole]

Reports are now coming in that the audio of the shots being fired have been partially authenticated. The creators of the app that was used to make the recording have verified the date and time of the recording and it matches up with the date and time Mike Brown was killed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...dio-recording/