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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Who gives a shit about his base. They are maybe 30% of voters and did not get him elected. That was the idiots who didn't think through what a giant, corrupt, incompetent a-hole he is. And from the looks of the special elections so far, his base can't elect anybody.
    When you can do whatever you want and 30% of the voting block will still come out in large numbers to support you that is power. That means you probably never lose a primary and no misstep will take you out of a race. That's a danger to whoever runs against him. It means you can never put him away truly.

    If they didn't exist he wouldn't have made it out of the primaries and any one of his scandals would have ended his candidacy.

    It's a combination of fervent support, a Republican Party who plays all or nothing team politics, a divided Democratic Party, an electorate where the one's who are engaged are often the most desperate and the rest are disengaged, and in all truth a misjudgment by the mainstream media about what voter cared about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    They may, but it's the neutral eye on that shot that I think about. A seated individual never looks like the stronger one in a group setting, unless they're elevated on a throne. It's emphasized in theatre, to ensure the audience's eyes play to those who are standing. Also, from left to right, because our eyes are trained to read from left to right. It's also why the WWE always traditionally puts the "face" on the left in promo shots for matches, and the heel on the right.
    That's because English and most other western languages are read from left to right. But what about when the WWE went to Saudi Arabia recently, where the language is read right to left? Did they know enough to put the faces on the right and the heels on the left in their promos for that event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey Strain View Post
    Besides trade agreements that drag them through the mud, other thing American workers hate is porous borders. Now why is that, you ask? It's because almost everyone who crosses the border illegally is laborer, who if he can will work under the table to avoid detection by the authorities. This makes them much cheaper for Americans to hire.

    Is Trump's border wall a silly idea? Sure it is. But contrast it with Hillary Clinton's dream of "a Western Hemisphere without borders."

    Was Trump smart enough to think of doing that? No. It was Bannon's idea. And it just might work again in 2020.

    In the 2016 election you had Hillary, with along with Slick Willie had pushed through trade agreements that blasted millions of Americans out the middle class, and who wanted to merge the United States economically with Latin America, versus Trump. Yet Hillary, the party establishment and the news media still have no clue as to why she lost. "It was Russia!" they cry. "No, wait, it was Comey!"

    Instead of enjoying her remaining golden years in a retirement community, the desiccated Nancy Pelosi was even stupid enough to shut down Congress recently to defend illegal immigration, putting her weird facial tics on display in a filibuster for hours.

    Yes, the Democrats are just going to double down on what got them into this mess. Watch them.
    Those people who hate porous borders don't understand that all that cheap labor is what's keeping their cost of living so low. They're blinded by their fear of brown people.

    NAFTA was a somewhat failed attempt to both curb the illegal immigration problem by creating opportunities in Latin America and maintain a low cost of living for people in the U.S. by taking advantage of the cheaper labor in those countries. Over time it might also have helped to stabilize some Latin-American governments because a higher standard of living for common people translates into a more educated populace, which translates, in theory, to more stable, less corrupt governments. That is, if you can prevent the emergence of an oligarchy. (I'm looking at you Russia)
    Not only was NAFTA based on the principal of "a high tide raises all boats", but it was also an attempt to create a partnership like the E.U., which would convert the western continents into a economic bloc capable of influencing and countering other powerful economic blocs like OPEC. or the then emerging powerhouse that is now the Chinese economy.
    What f-ed up the plan was the greed of U.S. corporations. Instead of taking the profits created from using the cheaper Mexican labor pool to create more opportunities for growth in both countries, they chose to increase returns to their investors through higher dividends and buy-backs and poured money into the tech bubble while also laying off American tech workers in favor of cheaper labor in Asia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    It makes perfect sense. The Democrats cannot and will not win without former Democrats and Independents. We outnumber both parties. So no, it's not like voting for Stein. Republicans need us less, but Democrats NEED Independents to vote for them. That's just fact.
    We are agreeing with each other in different ways here. If Bernie ran Independent as you suggest. Trump would win. We agree Democrats need progressive wing that would be tempted to vote for him and they need Independents and even moderate republicans in some states that are fed up with Trump's BS.

    The point is it is LOSE LOSE for anyone but Trump if Democrats and independents who want him gone and get all GOP out infight.

    Will you get single payer as long as GOP are in control of everything? NO you never will. Will we make any progress on gun control at all as long as GOP are in control? Not if the NRA who heavily pays them to halt any talk has anything to say about it.

    Making democrats out to be the "enemy" is ridiculous when there is a VERY clear danger to us all. That is GOP and Trump control. If we cant all put the stupid shit aside and get behind that one truth we deserve to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    When you can do whatever you want and 30% of the voting block will still come out in large numbers to support you that is power. That means you probably never lose a primary and no misstep will take you out of a race. That's a danger to whoever runs against him. It means you can never put him away truly.

    If they didn't exist he wouldn't have made it out of the primaries and any one of his scandals would have ended his candidacy.

    It's a combination of fervent support, a Republican Party who plays all or nothing team politics, a divided Democratic Party, an electorate where the one's who are engaged are often the most desperate and the rest are disengaged, and in all truth a misjudgment by the mainstream media about what voter cared about.
    It’s like I’ve said, Republicans have looked the other way and haven’t said squat about Trump and all the crazy/stupid shit he’s done, and that’s out of fear because Dolt45’s followers are devoted to HIM, not the party and can’t afford to lose their support for that 2020 re-election bid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    It’s like I’ve said, Republicans have looked the other way and haven’t said squat about Trump and all the crazy/stupid shit he’s done, and that’s out of fear because Dolt45’s followers are devoted to HIM, not the party and can’t afford to lose their support for that 2020 re-election bid.
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    oh and some Parkland students called out DeVos visit there during an interview

    she intruded on counseling sessions and was a general ghoul when she visited there

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidfresh512 View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/10/politics/larry-kudlow-donald-trump-justin-trudeau/index.html"]CNN[/URL]

    Wow "Special place in hell" for Trudeau? What a brilliantly sane administration we have. Putin actually attacked us and he didn't get a reservation in hell. He instead gets a no strings attached recommendation to rejoin the g8! China literally steals our intellectual property but they need to have sanctions lifted to help out their phone makers.

    No reserved seat in hell there
    Let's widen our perspective and take a look at that.
    Thanks to it's extremely cheap labor pool and emerging middle class, China is staged to become an economic powerhouse in the next century and has been investing hundreds of billions of dollars into a trade and distribution network reaching extending throughout Asia and reaching into Europe, the Middle East and Africa.
    The U.S also owes over a trillion in debt to China from the Iraq/Afghanistan wars, which if called in at the wrong moment, say during another recession like the 2008 collapse caused by the unethical practices of Mega Banks, it could knock the U.S. down to a second tier global credit risk.
    Trump and the GOP have rolled back regulations governing banking practices in the U.S.
    The Trans Pacific Partnership was designed to give the U.S. some measure of economic influence in Asia, which could've countered some of China's emerging power. Trump scrapped it claiming it was the "worst deal in American history".
    Trump damages trade and political relations with our neighboring nations in the west and Europe and calls African nations "shit-hole countries" while simultaneously kissing up to Russia and China. Trumps company has been setting up business deals in both of those countries over the past decade. He currently holds over 100 trademarks in China and Ivanka holds 13 with an additional 8 currently pending.
    It's obvious that he only cares about advancing his own business interests. Making America Great Again was meaningless BS to rally his base here in the U.S. When it comes right down to it, he'd burn our house down if it would make him and his family a profit overseas.

    But yes everyone, let's all sit around bitching about Bernie and Hillary....
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    Fox & Friends host refers to Trump and Kim Jong Un as "two dictators" - Anthony Scaramucci doesn't bat an eye and keeps on talking. It's all coming together....
    video here:
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    A joke I saw on Facebook:

    Breaking: Justify turns down invitation to the White House. Asked why, the Triple Crown winner said, “If I wanted to see a horse’s ass, I would’ve finished second.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    That's because English and most other western languages are read from left to right. But what about when the WWE went to Saudi Arabia recently, where the language is read right to left? Did they know enough to put the faces on the right and the heels on the left in their promos for that event?
    Everything I know about Vince McMahon being clueless about a great many things says the answer to that question is absolutely "no".
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    "Trump Threatens to End All Trade With Allies"

    "Leaving the G7 summit on Saturday, President Trump said that the U.S. might end all trade with America’s closest allies if those countries don’t submit to his demands over reduced trade barriers. Trump also confirmed that he had told the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Canada, and Italy that there should be no tariffs between them and the U.S. of any kind. Whether Trump’s characteristically hyperbolic threat, or overarching proposal, will be taken seriously is another matter.

    Referring to what he called “ridiculous and unfair” tariffs on U.S. imports, Trump said, “It’s going to stop — or we’ll stop trading with them. And that’s a very profitable answer, if we have to do it.”

    Trump left the G7 while it was still underway so that he could travel to Singapore to meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. The trade-warring president claimed that his relationship with other G7 leaders was “a 10,” but the contentious summit clearly proved otherwise.

    The Trump administration recently imposed steep tariffs on steel and aluminum imports from the EU and Canada, having already imposed them on Japan. Those countries, along with Mexico, have pledged to impose their own higher tariffs on billions of dollars of U.S. imports in retaliation, as America’s allies appear to have become fed up with the combative and chaotic Trump administration, and are shifting their strategy from trying to reach and educate Trump about the complexities of international trade, to seeking to punish the U.S. economy instead.

    “If they retaliate, they’re making a mistake,” Trump said on Saturday, meaning that he believes U.S. allies have more to lose than gain by entering into a trade war with the U.S."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidfresh512 View Post
    We are agreeing with each other in different ways here. If Bernie ran Independent as you suggest. Trump would win. We agree Democrats need progressive wing that would be tempted to vote for him and they need Independents and even moderate republicans in some states that are fed up with Trump's BS.

    The point is it is LOSE LOSE for anyone but Trump if Democrats and independents who want him gone and get all GOP out infight.

    Will you get single payer as long as GOP are in control of everything? NO you never will. Will we make any progress on gun control at all as long as GOP are in control? Not if the NRA who heavily pays them to halt any talk has anything to say about it.

    Making democrats out to be the "enemy" is ridiculous when there is a VERY clear danger to us all. That is GOP and Trump control. If we cant all put the stupid shit aside and get behind that one truth we deserve to lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    I think Faux News is about to be down another blonde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    Sanders might have to give up his Independence:

    DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat

    Kinda weird that that wasn't a rule before.
    There hadn't been a true outsider candidate (not a registered member of the party) to make a credible bid for the nomination, so it wasn't something anyone thought there would need to be rules for.

    Part of it is that for generations, the parties were ideologically diverse, in a way that isn't applicable now, so there wouldn't be a need for anyone to be outside the Democratic party.

    Sanders is also a very unique case. He does seem to think it is important to maintain his independence outside the traditional political system, and that was part of his brand in a small state where he is very popular. Vermont was seen as a Republican state until quite recently, and in 2006 when Vermont had an open seat, the Democrats wanted Sanders due to his personal popularity, to take over a seat that had gone for the Republican Jim Jeffords in the previous election.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trey Strain View Post
    Republicans have nothing to do with it. Either you accept the continued conservative dominance of the Democratic party, or you oppose it. If you stay silent about it -- or more likely, you aren't even conscious of it, because you're always distracted by the Republicans -- then you've accepted it. I get that though. Hey, we can't let go of the Clintons, now can we?
    Who are the conservatives who dominate the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    The problem with that new rule is that it only requires the candidate to register as a Democrat. It doesn't require that they ever have to vote with Democrats. So they can put a D next to their names the way Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp do, get the committee chairs for Democrats, but then continue to vote with Republicans on so many issues.
    The other Senators can always vote against letting someone be a committee chair. They don't want to do that, because they recognize they may need Manchin and Heitkamp to gain and hold a majority.

    But it would always be within their power to state clear unambiguous purity tests for committee chairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    Exactly. Can you imagine if Joe Lieberman got powerful financial backers and decided to run for president?
    Would he really do better than he did in 2004? Or in the 2006 Senate primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    What America needs is a good candidate people will vote for. This “we need someone younger” push just screams “ignore the old popular guy so we can push a focus group younger establishment type coming out of the bullpen”
    To be fair, we don't know how Sanders would have performed in a primary where there were alternatives under fifty.

    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    There’s a whole process for the President to choose his line of succession. It’s why the VP is on the ticket.
    That works when there's a resignation, or a death. It would be a lot messier if a potentially senile President doesn't want to resign. It's also more complicated if you have a President with wildly different political beliefs than the Vice-President.

    I've noted this before, but a President Joe Biden would likely be ideologically close to his running mate, so there wouldn't be much concern that his resignation would result in massive policy changes. With Sanders, there could be that added complication, a conflict between doing the right thing (resigning if he's not up for the job) and accomplishing his policy goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster View Post
    Bolded is mine.

    Here's the thing, if people had the choice most of us wouldn't be here now. German and Irish and Chinese and Japanese and polish and Jewish were all seen as undesirables. I don't know if you heard about what people would say about these groups, but at different points in history every last one of them was seen as the other here. Drunks, beaters, mobsters, drug peddlers, etc. The list goes on.

    And if were talking about deportation, why throw a kid out when we should have been deporting the likes of Capone, who was far more dangerous than some teen boy and a speeding ticket or a dui.

    And how many people a year get a dui and get off with a slap on the wrist? A lot, or are teens that have kids, a lot. But ya know, I'm pretty sure that were he some Irish kid he would be alive and well right now.
    There are several complex issues here.

    As others noted, Capone was born in the US, but you can certainly make the argument that his immigrant parents failed to assimilate and instill in him proper values if he ended up becoming a career criminal associated with Unione Siciliana.

    In the late 19th Century, the country also needed a different set of skills than we need now. Education and technical knowledge are much more important.

    The alternative to viewing some people as undesirables would be a much more open immigration policy (perhaps excluding only known criminals). If this is what people want, it should be clearly and unambiguously advocated, along with policy suggestions for how to balance that with the welfare state.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    I'd say that people are pretty animated. And besides, the real issue confronting Democrats at the national level is 'voter suppression' and 'gerrymandering'.

    No, Mets, this isn't an invitation for you to come in and start ranting about 'geographic sorting' again (which is a nonsense way to talk about the urban/rural divide and the fact that people tend to congregate in dense population centers.).

    As for Sanders, he'll have to say 'I'm a Democrat' and actually walk the walk and have a 'D" after his name. That shouldn't be a problem for the guy. /If he wins/, he'll have all the leverage he needs to force changes that he approves of. Of course, given his track record with nominees and personal lack of transparency, that may not be such a good thing, no matter how much I agree with things he's said.
    If you want to criticize my comments about geographic sorting, please tell me where I'm wrong, and the analysis that backs that up.
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