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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    Outrage culture isn't limited to the left (Samantha Bee hypocrisy), but it has gone overboard to a level unprecedented before today. Not 'Victim Culture' as I think that phrase is loaded, but the aspects of every group and culture on the planet that have been emboldened to scream at the top of their lungs about how abhorrent BLANK is over the slightest of excuses as often as possible. In some cases they are bots, in some they are falsely claiming to be against BLANK in order to smear true opposition, but most often they are just angry people looking for any excuse to unleash the rage. Unless it's an overwhelming amount of these people that bleed over to real life I've been forced to accept that it's just the way the internet works.

    But the impact of this stuff is being overblown IMO. And I agree that things should stop more when people who seem to have made an accidental mistake when they apologize.
    Cue adult men upset over comedy remakes of children's cartoons that were originally created to sell toys...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Cue adult men upset over live action remakes of children's cartoons that were originally created to sell toys...
    I'm an adult man who was once a very young boy who saw Optimus Prime die in theaters. Sure he was fictional but that shit mattered to little-me and we are all our past selves with life experience built on like so many lego bricks, so I don't object to their being upset about it happening. I was on Don Murphy's forums long ago when Bay was announced as director and I definitely made my displeasure known and have continued to rip into Bay's disasterpieces since. However the extent their rage has taken in Thundercats' case is far beyond what I can excuse, as these guys don't even have the feeble excuse of childhood trauma to fall back on.

    In short: The Anger can be understandable, the tantrums cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    I'm an adult man who was once a very young boy who saw Optimus Prime die in theaters. Sure he was fictional but that shit mattered to little-me and we are all our past selves with life experience built on like so many lego bricks, so I don't object to their being upset about it happening. I was on Don Murphy's forums long ago when Bay was announced as director and I definitely made my displeasure known and have continued to rip into Bay's disasterpieces since. However the extent their rage has taken in Thundercats' case is far beyond what I can excuse, as these guys don't even have the feeble excuse of childhood trauma to fall back on.

    In short: The Anger can be understandable, the tantrums cannot.
    Let’s not pretend that internet media doesn’t play a role in this? I feel they feed outrage culture, by the way they lump all criticism and negative opinions against something together. If you look at the comments of any controversial article, how many of those post would you consider toxic and not just critical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathew101281 View Post
    Let’s not pretend that internet media doesn’t play a role in this? I feel they feed outrage culture, by the way they lump all criticism and negative opinions against something together. If you look at the comments of any controversial article, how many of those post would you consider toxic and not just critical?
    I'm not and I didn't, I admitted that this is just how the internet works in the post Ed replied to. The anonymity and general aggressiveness that the internet gave people led to the rise of 'trolling' to the point where it's bled over into real life in the case of the GoP and things like Swatting. People will say things on the internet (And associated games) that they'd never dare to say to someone in person, and do things through that anonymity that they might normally not condone. I've said often before on this forum that I think it's helped bring us to the level of political discourse that we've reached today, along with the 24/7 News Cycle, partisan lies sold as 'news', and the attitude that caring about something not only means you've lost whatever argument is going on but you're weak for doing so (Snowflake).

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    Latchkey child of the 80's here, also sounding off. Optimus Prime was my father figure. Watching him die in that movie theater was frickin' traumatic. Like, people just don't know. You had to be there. Maybe if parents today could imagine their kids seeing Henry Danger get stabbed in the gut with a shard of jagged metal and shot six times in the chest, they might understand. The 80's were a merciless time to be a child. No, seeing Rodimus beat Galvatron did not make us feel better. Rodimus Prime was a git.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handsome men don't lose fights View Post
    Latchkey child of the 80's here, also sounding off. Optimus Prime was my father figure. Watching him die in that movie theater was frickin' traumatic. Like, people just don't know. You had to be there. Maybe if parents today could imagine their kids seeing Henry Danger get stabbed in the gut with a shard of jagged metal and shot six times in the chest, they might understand. The 80's were a merciless time to be a child. No, seeing Rodimus beat Galvatron did not make us feel better. Rodimus Prime was a git.
    I still love that movie, in fact I have a DVD copy of it a friend got from Malaysia with some of the 'best worst' subtitles you could imagine. It can't be overstated how badly the hero figure of a very young child being savaged and dying in front of them can affect them at the time, and the TV season afterwards laughed and kicked us while we were down by bringing him back to kill him again even more gruesomely and then bringing him REALLY FOR REALS back only to end the season and end all Transformers I saw until Beast Wars. It's amazing to me thinking about it now why it's my favorite still but I have to say nostalgia and somehow still genuine like for many of the characters given to those brightly colored toys keeps it up there. I'm not a blind Geewunner though, as I'm a fan of both TF: Animated and TF: Prime which incorporated Bayisms without making Bay's mistakes and making enjoyable characters.

    Anyway that's it for Dalak's Budget Transformer Reviews, stay tuned for more bullshit Trump said/did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handsome men don't lose fights View Post
    Nothng to see here, just Republicans using every dirty trick they can to keep their deeply unpopular party floating in the toilet bowl. Can't wait until they introduce legislation requiring you to pay a fee to vote.
    You mean, like a poll tax? But that's unconsti- oh right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    I'm an adult man who was once a very young boy who saw Optimus Prime die in theaters. Sure he was fictional but that shit mattered to little-me and we are all our past selves with life experience built on like so many lego bricks, so I don't object to their being upset about it happening. I was on Don Murphy's forums long ago when Bay was announced as director and I definitely made my displeasure known and have continued to rip into Bay's disasterpieces since. However the extent their rage has taken in Thundercats' case is far beyond what I can excuse, as these guys don't even have the feeble excuse of childhood trauma to fall back on.

    In short: The Anger can be understandable, the tantrums cannot.
    I'm going to add to this saying as an adult woman who as a little girl grew up wanting to be as good of a leader as prime, when the movie came out smartly my mother actually asked me first if I wanted to go see the movie and warned me about Optimus's death. Suffice it to say that I burst into tears at once and it took me over a month to start watching the show again, only to see the episode where he died again and that re traumatized 5 year old more for another couple of weeks.

    I will say the closest 90s kids got to this was Dinobot's death in Beast Wars and then Primals in Beast machines. More recently the death of Wally in Young Justice.

    Regarding the freak out though, there is some legit anger to be had, especially if you study animation and the practices of Cartoon Netwok, and more recently Nick. In the case of Thundercats it was supposed to be moved to Toonami. Unfortunately, like He-man, Gen Rex, YJ, Symbiotic Titan, and several other shows that are action based and attract the wrong audience, ie: girls and older teens and families, they screwed around with the time to justify taking it off air and left the studio hanging so that they didn't have to deal with the cancellation contract stuff. It's a constant with them.

    So while yes there are morons, there is a legit gripe that CN screwed over the series, when it should have just canned it and possibly it could have bern brought over to Netflix or WBs new upcoming service, or Hulu. This is where a lot of the issues with some of us stem from.

    Other than that Matthew 101281 is right about how the net likes to create click bait to get people upset and sharing for ad revenue.

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    hope he contemplates his life
    Like Steve Scalise contemplated his life after the Congress ball field shooting, yet remained a full throated supporter of the NRA? Nothing will change with Kudlow either. Nevertheless, I hope he pulls through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Jeff Sessions said he is “confident” his moves will reduce the number of unauthorized immigrants who come to the U.S. Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free....unless you have brown skin, then you're fucked.

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    It was three years ago we shared our original "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" profile of Troy Mader, a former member of the Wyoming House of Representatives who after being appointed to his position, garnered the attention of the media after he complained too much about “dangerous” animals on the endangered species list, and they found essays he wrote online where he compared environmentalists to Hitler wanting to commit genocide. A few other reporters noted that his own country and music CD featured a rant in the insert where most give thanks to their bandmates featured complaints about how society has too much tolerance nowadays, and before long, reporters dug up a copy of a book Mader wrote back in 1987 where he reported false information about the spread of HIV and AIDS, and claimed that homosexuals willfully spread the HIV virus and want to have sex with children. Not surprisingly, in his first primary campaign to win office, Mader was defeated, and rebuffed by the voters of his district.


    In both 2016, as well as 2017, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” presented its original profile of the current U.S. House Representative from Missouri’s 3rd Congressional District, Blaine Luetkemeyer, who has sponsored legislation to try and deregulate community banks altogether, and to enable the payday loan industry to undertake some of the most predatory practices outside of the mafia, in terms of radical loan interest rates. Hell, he introduced legislation back in 2014 that would have made it easier for payday lenders to launder money (Gee, call me crazy, but I don’t think the average voter in his district wanted him to put effort towards something like that). And for most of his four terms in office, Rep. Luetkemeyer kept his mouth shut, his head down, and didn’t make much in the way of headlines. He broke that streak in a big way, though, in March 2016, when he chimed in about Senator Elizabeth Warren, a notorious thorn in the side of Wall Street executives, in less-than-flattering, terms that show he has trouble using simile and metaphor. You see, he referred to Sen. Warren as “the Darth Vader of the financial services world”, and added that Wall Street should “find a way to neuter her”. All right, first off, someone who stands up to big banks is hardly a Darth Vader, as he was all about crushing a rebellion, not the empire. Second, she’s a lady, and ladies don’t get neutered, look it up if you’re having trouble with female anatomy, Blaine. Third, I don’t need to defend Elizabeth Warren, because she responded and sufficiently handed Luetkemeyer his own ass on a plate, with her kindest remark being that the former bank regulator (who didn’t regulate banks so well) was “a Wall Street Yes-man”. Elizabeth Warren is not the only female lawmaker who Luetkemeyer has ever taken issue with, though, as he was frequently seen campaigning with “Fire Pelosi” signs during the Tea Party Wave in 2010. (It’s almost like he has a problem with women in authority, or something.)

    So other than Blaine Luetkemeyer having a huge hard-on for big money interests and seems turned off by the idea of women having equal rights. But his whole voting record is pretty much garbage, including votes against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, for bans on abortion at 20 weeks (including ones without exceptions for rape or incest), two votes to defund Planned Parenthood, votes against Dodd-Frank or regulations upon the oil industry after the Deepwater Horizon spill, votes against raising the debt ceiling (which would have collapsed the global economy), voting for not just the 2013 Government Shutdown, but voted to keep it closed rather than reopen it, votes against LGBT rights such as hate crime protections or anti-discrimination protections, and oh yeah… a vote for every attempt to repeal the successful Affordable Care Act.

    For whatever reason, Luetkemeyer does not seem to ever develop a reputation as a stooge for the 1%, and his district re-elected him in the 2016 elections with 68% of the vote over Democrat Keith Miller. That’s probably because in the Cook Partisan Voting Index, Missouri’s 3rd District has a +13 Republican lean, but we are, however, not as sad as we might have been, had Luetkemeyer lost to the highly insane former Missouri state legislator, Cynthia Davis, in the GOP Primary for this seat. Back in Washington for a fourth term, Luetkemeyer has jumped right back on the leash his corporate banking supporters keep him on:

    • February 16th, 2017: Luetkemeyer votes for HJR 69, to make it legal for hunters on wildlife reserves to kill several species of hibernating bears or wolves while they’re sleeping. Because… well, the logic really isn’t there as to why, it’s just awful.
    • March 16th, 2017: Blaine Luetkemeyer votes for HR 1181, which would allow veterans deemed mentally incompetent to continue to own firearms, and not have them taken away without a judge's written order. We feel safer already.
    • May 4th, 2017: Luetkemeyer votes for the House GOP's healthcare plan, that would kick roughly 24 million people off their health insurance plans, allow up to 28,000 more people to die a year, give $50,000 in tax breaks to millionaires, and would eliminate coverage for pre-existing conditions which would include such medical conditions as pregnancy (current or past), post-partum depression, or prior sexual assault. Oh, and a provision in the bill would make sure that Luetkemeyer would be allowed to keep his healthcare plan as it exists under the ACA, which would be repealed for the rest of the country. He and his Republican compatriots threw themselves a beer bash to celebrate taking away healthcare from millions and then gloated about it with Donald Trump at a White House press conference, as well.
    • June 8th, 2017: Blaine Luetkemeyer votes for HR 10, the GOP’s attempt to repeal Dodd-Frank financial reform, because what the country really needs is to allow the big banks to make the same mistakes that imploded the economy only a decade earlier.
    • September 8th, 2017: Rep. Luetkemeyer chooses to be one of 90 Republicans in Congress who votes against disaster relief for Hurricane Harvey.
    • October 3rd, 2017: Luetkemeyer votes for HR 36, the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, that would try to create an unconstitutional ban abortion at 20 weeks (even though medical science tells us fetuses do not have the capability to feel pain until 29 weeks).
    • December 19th, 2017: Blaine Luetkemeyer votes for HR 1, the GOP’s $1.7 trillion tax cut to benefit the wealthiest Americans and corporations permanently that coincidentally also removes the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate and kicks 13 million people off their health insurance.
    • February 18th, 2018: Luetkemeyer and his fellow Republicans decide that poor big businesses are suffering too much at the hands of the Americans with Disabilities Act too much, and vote for HR 620, which would strip most of the civil rights protections guaranteed by it.


    Luetkemeyer’s return to Washington is not guaranteed even with that +13 gerrymandered lean he has working in his favor, as in August, he faces off against Chadwick Bicknell in the GOP Primary, and then in the general election in November, he will go toe to toe with Democrat Katy Geppert, a chemist whose background in environmental testing as well as health and nutrition industries could prove interesting if there are any debate questions between the two candidates regarding science. Hopefully, Luetkemeyer doesn’t start complaining about his inability to neuter her, and need medical anatomy explained to him again, in any event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    I'm an adult man who was once a very young boy who saw Optimus Prime die in theaters. Sure he was fictional but that shit mattered to little-me and we are all our past selves with life experience built on like so many lego bricks, so I don't object to their being upset about it happening. I was on Don Murphy's forums long ago when Bay was announced as director and I definitely made my displeasure known and have continued to rip into Bay's disasterpieces since. However the extent their rage has taken in Thundercats' case is far beyond what I can excuse, as these guys don't even have the feeble excuse of childhood trauma to fall back on.

    In short: The Anger can be understandable, the tantrums cannot.
    It must have been more than a decade ago, while talking with one of the other regulars in Rumbles, that the subject of ThunderCats comics came up. I looked up scans on one of the less savory parts of the internet and hated it so much that I quietly wrote off the entire ThunderCats franchise. I don't even remember what I hated so much, but I never went back . So this whole childish tantrum that's going around the internet has completely passed me by.

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    Bottom-line: Trump made specific commitments to end military exercises with #SouthKorea & eventually withdraw US forces from peninsula. #NorthKorea made NO specific commitments on timing or verification of denuclearization, also did not give accounting of its nuclear arsenal.
    Ponder that. Don't forget it.


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    Trump, who tells ABC News that he 'trusts' Kim Jong Un, says this about the dictator who starves his people: "His country does love him. His people, you see the fervor. They have a great fervor."

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    This stuff with NK would be good if I had any faith in the person facilitating it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster View Post
    I'm going to add to this saying as an adult woman who as a little girl grew up wanting to be as good of a leader as prime, when the movie came out smartly my mother actually asked me first if I wanted to go see the movie and warned me about Optimus's death.
    All I could think of to this was, "F'ing SPOILER ALERT, MOM!!!"

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