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    Quote Originally Posted by ouroboros View Post
    So, to draw from recent events, if any politician voices the opinion that Michael Steele proved incompetent in his position, and that he got the job purely because of his employers' attempts to appear diverse-- then that politician MUST be a racist, because it's impossible to critique any beneficiary of equal opportunity without critiquing equal opportunity itself.
    Nope -- never said that: every situation is unique.

    But have fun with your strawman, as you so often do regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    There is a difference between doing that when you come across it and creating an office for the sole purpose of looking for it, especially givin this administrations open hostility towards any immigrant. ICE tries to deport people for belonging to fictional gangs, and I get the feeling that this new office will try to strip citizenship based on fraud it created itself.
    I can partly agree with you that certain parties might use false documentation as an excuse to get rid of immigrants, whether it's to project the illusion of being tough on illegals or to serve some other purpose.

    BUT-- if the applicants have lied, they don't get a free pass just because ICE's motives aren't pure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Cohen, I think, is also in trouble on the State level. Also, a Pardon is an admission of guilt, which can be used against Trump. If Cohen is guilty, then it ties back to Trump if a case is ever brought against him, in or out of office.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
    I'm no legal eagle but doesn't Trump have to wait to see if he's tried and convicted? There could still be some dirty laundry that gets aired pertaining to Trump.
    Then there’s the not so insignificant matter of the craven, cowardly and complicit Republicans in Congress who’ve so far shown they’ll go to the wall and beyond to defend Trump, and today’s developments won’t change anything. I’m sure Eddie Munster and Turtle Boy are already cooking up schemes with GOP higher ups to keep their god emperor safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ouroboros View Post
    So, to draw from recent events, if any politician voices the opinion that Michael Steele proved incompetent in his position, and that he got the job purely because of his employers' attempts to appear diverse-- then that politician MUST be a racist, because it's impossible to critique any beneficiary of equal opportunity without critiquing equal opportunity itself.
    Which in no way reflects what this racist asshat GOPer said. But could we expect anything else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ouroboros View Post
    I can partly agree with you that certain parties might use false documentation as an excuse to get rid of immigrants, whether it's to project the illusion of being tough on illegals or to serve some other purpose.

    BUT-- if the applicants have lied, they don't get a free pass just because ICE's motives aren't pure.
    You mean like Melania? She lied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    Nope -- never said that: every situation is unique.

    But have fun with your strawman, as you so often do regardless.
    Strawman accusations are not framed as "if this, then that" extrapolations.

    The very definition of a strawman accusation is that A must claim that B said something B did not say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
    I'm no legal eagle but doesn't Trump have to wait to see if he's tried and convicted? There could still be some dirty laundry that gets aired pertaining to Trump.
    Tried and found guilty. Then he can be pardoned. Trump pardoned that sheriff before sentencing. First time for a modern POTUS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Which in no way reflects what this racist asshat GOPer said. But could we expect anything else?
    Back in Feb 2018 Ian Walters said:

    “We elected Mike Steele as chairman because he was a black guy, that was the wrong thing to do”

    Now is that a criticism of Michael Steele, or of equal opportunity generally?

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    The Terrible Arguments Against the Constitutionality of the Mueller Investigation.

    Written by none other than top Republican lawyer, husband of current Trump Trustee, the one, the only ... GEORGE CONWAY!

    Oh man, she's gonna get fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    You mean like Melania? She lied.
    If Melania were stripped of her citizenship for falsifications, it certainly wouldn't be any skin off my nose. We both know that it's not going to happen, and more, that no laws are going to be set aside just because some people manage to circumvent them. So what's the relevance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouroboros View Post
    Strawman accusations are not framed as "if this, then that" extrapolations.

    The very definition of a strawman accusation is that A must claim that B said something B did not say.
    Ok -- thanks for the info.

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    Great great profiles.


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    I don't get why you are even bothering to engage in strawman bs. It's clear he wanted to use that as an opportunity to paint people who had issues with Hillary as misogynists because it's easier to say "oh they all just didn't like her because she's a woman" as opposed to really considering why some people didn't want to vote for her.
    I don't engage with that person most times. The Passive Aggressiveness is amazing. Also if you don't like Hillary, your reasons are bullshit, also But Bernie sucks too.
    They're not an honest actor with this particular topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouroboros View Post
    Back in Feb 2018 Ian Walters said:

    “We elected Mike Steele as chairman because he was a black guy, that was the wrong thing to do”

    Now is that a criticism of Michael Steele, or of equal opportunity generally?
    First, that's not the politician from the linked article. Second that assumes this asshat is right about the only reason for Steele. Which is a racist statement itself. Quacks like a duck. But keep defending this bs, we can get you a bigger shovel.
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    Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in federal taxes each year

    The reality is far different. Immigrants who are authorized to work in the United States pay the same taxes as US citizens. And, contrary to the persistent myth, undocumented immigrants do in fact pay taxes too. Millions of undocumented immigrants file tax returns each year, and they are paying taxes for benefits they can’t even use.

    The best estimates come from research by the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy, a Washington, DC, think tank, which suggests that about half of undocumented workers in the United States file income tax returns. The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who don’t have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes.

    Those undocumented workers paid taxes for benefits they can’t even use, like Social Security and Medicare. They also aren’t eligible for benefits like the earned income tax credit. But the IRS still expects unauthorized immigrants to file their taxes, and many of them do so.

    Filing taxes helps immigrants create a paper trail to show when they entered the country and how long they’ve been contributing tax dollars. Many are hoping it will help them get legal status one day. That has happened in past reform efforts, and one of the first requirements is usually to prove that a person has been paying taxes. That was the case for the undocumented youth granted temporary work permits under President Obama’s deportation relief program, known as DACA. With the Trump administration’s anti-immigrant agenda, however, their chance of getting papers seems remote for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Things Fall Apart View Post
    Is it retroactive and does it impact the descendants of people who lied to get in? Meaning where exactly did your family immigrate from Mets? Maybe we should look into their paperwork.

    You know, just in case.
    It does not seem to have any effect on birthright citizenship.

    Your hostility to the policy does raise the question of what it is that you want. What is the best immigration policy? Should the United States, as a nation, increase incentives to lie when seeking citizenship by offering no penalties for it?

    So, taking citizenship away from people who lied on documentation to obtain citizenship is equivalent to the Nazis?
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