All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[Tami]

It does not seem to have any effect on birthright citizenship.

Your hostility to the policy does raise the question of what it is that you want. What is the best immigration policy? Should we increase incentives to lie when seeking citizenship by offering no penalties for it?



So, taking citizenship away from people who lied on documentation to obtain citizenship is equivalent to the Nazis?

How about setting up an immigration system that works, one that works so well that people can be in the country and not be so afraid that they feel the need to lie about it. A system where everyone can get some kind of legal status, even if they aren't Citizens.

People lie because they are terrified. Not because they are criminals.

[Tami]

WATCH: Arizona GOP candidate goes on racist rant over the lack of white kids in school

Republican David Stringer warned that immigration will have a negative impact on white kids during a speech in Arizona on Monday, reported the Phoenix New Times.

While speaking at the Yavapai County Republican Men’s Forum, he said immigration is an “existential threat” to America

He told the group that immigration will impact the voting base in the future because “there aren’t enough white kids to go around.”

“Sixty percent of public school children in the state of Arizona today are minorities,” Stringer said. “That complicates racial integration because there aren’t enough white kids to go around. And when you look at that 60 percent number for public school students, just carry that forward 10 or 15 years. It’s going to change the demographic voting base of this state.”

[Tazirai]

[QUOTE=Tami;3724881]How about setting up an immigration system that works, one that works so well that people can be in the country and not be so afraid that they feel the need to lie about it. A system where everyone can get some kind of legal status, even if they aren't Citizens.

People lie because they are terrified. Not because they are criminals.[/QUOTE]

[Kevinroc]

The Trump administration's lawsuit to end protections for pre-existing conditions could also hurt people over who get health insurance through their jobs.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/th....ns-protections

The WSJ is also reporting on this.

Get Health Coverage at Work? Lawsuit Against ACA Could Affect You, Too
Tens of millions could see certain provisions unwound by the Trump administration effort

https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-hea...too-1528924250

If the courts toss some ACA provisions linked to the insurance-coverage mandate, elements of the requirements that also apply to employer plans would likely be halted or reversed as well, analysts said. In these cases, the provisions would likely revert to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, they said.

That means employers would again be able to impose lengthy waiting periods for health coverage on new hires. Currently they are unable to lock workers out of health insurance for longer than 90 days when they take a new job.

Employers could also opt not to cover a new hire’s specific health problem, like cancer, for up to a year even if they provide them insurance. That limit would apply if a new hire hadn’t previously had coverage or had let it lapse.

And when smaller companies shop for insurance, they could be charged more to cover their workers if they have a large number of older or sicker people. That can indirectly lead to higher costs for workers who pay a share of their premiums, health analysts said. Those with healthier and younger employees may be charged less.

More than 13 million people get coverage through small employers.

[Tazirai]

What is it about the Republican party, that people like King is allowed to be a Representative of People, and people of color, and be a out and out bigot and racist?

What DRAWS them to the Republicans in general?
Are there racist Democrats? Probably, but those idiots don't make it very far into office.

The GOP REWARDS this behavior.

Republican Rep. Steve King Promotes Well-Known Neo-Nazi On Twitter
The U.S. congressman retweeted a British racist. King has long signaled support for white nationalists.

[TheInvisibleMan]

How about setting up an immigration system that works, one that works so well that people can be in the country and not be so afraid that they feel the need to lie about it. A system where everyone can get some kind of legal status, even if they aren't Citizens.

People lie because they are terrified. Not because they are criminals.

YUUUUUP

and with ICE putting kids in cages and ripping kids right off mothers breasts, I dont blame them

but Im sure ICEs current tactics are ok with many so called Americans out there

[Mister Mets]

So, to draw from recent events, if any politician voices the opinion that Michael Steele proved incompetent in his position, and that he got the job purely because of his employers' attempts to appear diverse-- then that politician MUST be a racist, because it's impossible to critique any beneficiary of equal opportunity without critiquing equal opportunity itself.

The politician in question would be wrong on objective facts, which must be cause for a strong negative inference. Either the politician is careless on race, or a liar; neither is acceptable.

Some background. When Michael Steele ran for RNC Chairman, his opposition included Ken Blackwell, the African-American former State Treasurer of Ohio. Steele had been chairman of the Maryland Republican party, and had been Chairman of the Republican affiliated GOPAC. So it's untrue that he got the job purely because of Republican efforts to appear more diverse, since that wouldn't explain why he beat out Blackwell, and neglects his resume.

If Melania were stripped of her citizenship for falsifications, it certainly wouldn't be any skin off my nose. We both know that it's not going to happen, and more, that no laws are going to be set aside just because some people manage to circumvent them. So what's the relevance?

There is also the point that Trump's opponents typically wouldn't want to use his abuse of a law as evidence that it should continue to exist.

How about setting up an immigration system that works, one that works so well that people can be in the country and not be so afraid that they feel the need to lie about it. A system where everyone can get some kind of legal status, even if they aren't Citizens.

People lie because they are terrified. Not because they are criminals.

People lie because there are restrictions about who's allowed in to the country. I'd imagine if there was a second-class citizenship available to most new immigrants, and a regular path to citizenship available to everyone else, there would still be people who would lie in order to gain access to full citizenship.

[Tami]

The politician in question would be wrong on objective facts, which must be cause for a strong negative inference. Either the politician is careless on race, or a liar; neither is acceptable.

Some background. When Michael Steele ran for RNC Chairman, his opposition included Ken Blackwell, the African-American former State Treasurer of Ohio. Steele had been chairman of the Maryland Republican party, and had been Chairman of the Republican affiliated GOPAC. So it's untrue that he got the job purely because of Republican efforts to appear more diverse, since that wouldn't explain why he beat out Blackwell, and neglects his resume.


There is also the point that Trump's opponents typically wouldn't want to use his abuse of a law as evidence that it should continue to exist.

People lie because there are restrictions about who's allowed in to the country. I'd imagine if there was a second-class citizenship available to most new immigrants, and a regular path to citizenship available to everyone else, there would still be people who would lie in order to gain access to full citizenship.

Lets' put it this way, if there is no reason to lie and some people still do it, then those people should be vetted extra hard....just like our current President should have been vetted extra hard as soon as he made his first public lie as a candidate 2 years ago.

[InformationGeek]

And here's this bit of nonsense.

Trump claims, preposterously, that parents of Korean War veterans came up to him during the 2016 campaign and said, "when you can, we'd love our son to be brought back home -- you know, the remains."

The Korean War ended in 1953.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

And here's this bit of nonsense.

So somehow time travel happened and the parents appeared at a Trump rally and told him this. Well...it makes sense.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

So I rarely post about Trump on my FB anymore. I posted 3 articles basically about him in a week . 1 about Michael Cohen rolling on him and 2 about the North Korea deal yesterday. But I'm tired of any debate online breaking down to someone accusing me of trolling or saying I'm obsessed with being negative about him. Its like...really ...you think in a span of a week where i post 3 articles is obsessed ?

Its why I mostly post about video games , TV and all. Because it gets tiring to see that defense each time.

[worstblogever]

And here's this bit of nonsense.

Let's do some math... the war ended in 1953, meaning, the youngest person who served in that war at the ripe age of 18 would have been born in 1935.

He's saying he talked to the parents of an 83 year old man. Who would presumably would have had to have been in their teens, and been roughly at least 98 or 99 years old to have claimed that.

Or maybe Trump's just a pathological f***ing liar. Or mentally ill. Or suffering from dementia. Or, the most likely scenario, all three.

[worstblogever]

Tried and found guilty. Then he can be pardoned. Trump pardoned that sheriff before sentencing. First time for a modern POTUS.

The catch, though... is if someone accepts a pardon, they forgo their right to plead the fifth in further discussions of their case in court. Which still could be even more damning.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Let's do some math... the war ended in 1953, meaning, the youngest person who served in that war at the ripe age of 18 would have been born in 1935.

He's saying he talked to the parents of an 83 year old man. Who would presumably would have had to have been in their teens, and been roughly at least 98 or 99 years old to have claimed that.

Or maybe Trump's just a pathological f***ing liar. Or mentally ill. Or suffering from dementia. Or, the most likely scenario, all three.

Or maybe Trump knows his brain dead lemmings will wholeheartedly believe him, so he can spout whatever bullshit comes to mind, free and clear in the knowledge he won't be challenged by the craven, bootlicking cowards in the GOP.

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Breastfeeding Mother Says Officials Took Her Baby At Immigrant Detention Center

President Donald Trump has ordered the separation of undocumented families as a “zero-tolerance” border policy. Disgusting! The barbarity of ICE knows no bounds. I'm waiting to see a WHITE immigrant treated that way.

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Donald Trump’s Takeover Of The Republican Party Is Now Complete

A Neo-Confederate victory in Tuesday’s primary indicates a frightening direction for the GOP. Yeah, the Party of Lincoln is now the Party of Trump. No doubt about that. What's truly amazing is that Republicans wouldn't let ANYONE else do what Trump has done, yet they've willingly bent over and let Caramel Caligula **** them right up the ass with a barb wire covered baseball bat.

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Scott Pruitt’s Mentor Says EPA Chief May Need To ‘Leave’ As Republican Support Ruptures

It’s a bad sign when even GOP Sen. James Inhofe is questioning the EPA administrator’s future. Slimy Scott isn't going anywhere as long as he still has Trump's support.

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Federal Judge Questions Constitutionality Of Trump Hotel’s Profits

The judge compared efforts by foreign officials to stay at the Trump International Hotel to bribery. No ****, Sherlock! Trump has been scamming the American people from day one of his putrid presidency.

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Rep. Steve King Won’t Answer Questions About His Neo-Nazi Retweets

The Iowa Republican has been endorsing tweets from a guy who rants about Jews and the fall of Western civilization. Methinks I'll call King "Seig Heil Steve" from now on.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Corker calls GOP 'cultish' and 'fearful' under Trump

Sen. Bob Corker, the Republican chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, on Wednesday chided his GOP colleagues for being "cultish" and "fearful" under President Donald Trump, and said some are concerned about their prospects in the midterm elections.

The Tennessee lawmaker said there are a number of reticent Republicans who are afraid to push back at Trump because they do not want to agitate the president.

"We are in a strange place. It's almost, it's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it?" said Corker, who also sits on the Senate Budget Committee. "It's not a good place for any party to end up with a cult-like situation as it relates to a president that happens to be of, purportedly, of the same party."

He added, "We have a lot of people who are willing to do the things that they feel are right for our country. We have some who are fearful of upsetting the president. But it's not a good place for us to be."

Corker's comments on Wednesday come the day after he lashed out at his Republican colleagues for blocking legislation that would have put checks on the president's ability to levy tariffs.

"A lot of them would vote for it," Corker said Tuesday of his GOP colleagues. "But no, no, no, 'gosh, we might poke the bear,' is the language I've been hearing in the hallways," he said, mockingly. "The president might get upset with us as United States senators," Corker continued.

Once again, the GOP are craven cowards under Trump.