All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[Spike-X]

Couldn't agree with you more. But since sex sometimes cause children to be born, I would think that through before I had unprotected sex.

And having organizations like Planned Parenthood to help provide birth control to people who might otherwise be unable to afford it leads to fewer people having unprotected sex.

Glad we agree.

[Spike-X]

Abstinence does a fantastic job of preventing any sexual related problems. It's kind of its thing. However, even if you are having sex, as I mentioned, make sure you can afford it- don't make other people pay for your luxury.

So even sex is something Poors are prohibited from enjoying now. Gotcha.

Because that's what sex is in this case- a luxury. It's a beautiful part of humanity, a literal gift of God, but it is not essential to day to day life. Everyone who has ever existed has the capacity to not have sex.

It can be stressful on a relationship, though. As can poverty. Put the two together, you don't have a recipe for a successful relationship. Or is a loving, committed relationship something else that Poors aren't allowed to have any more?

My experience is not universal, and I'm not claiming it is, in fact I'm hoping it's not (survivor of sexual molestation for one, and started doing things that I regretted at a later age but stopped short of having sex then because it can be done) but it is definitively obvious that every human being on the planet can go without having sex, and when they do, they can be responsible for their own actions. Don't make others pay for your contraceptives, and definitely don't let them pay for your legal slaughter

Taxpayer funds aren't used by Planned Parenthood to provide abortions, if that's what you're worried about.

Here's the thing - you want to see abortion happen a lot less than it does. Groovy. So would a lot of us on the pro-choice side of the fence. But would you rather get the result you want by doing something that works, or try to make everyone do things your way, then get mad when you don't get the result you want? Because this is one area where you simply can't have it all your way. Preaching abstinence simply doesn't work. It just doesn't. It's been tried, and it failed, and been tried, and failed, and tried some more, and failed some more. Here's what works - providing birth control. You may not like it, but it's what works.

[Tendrin]

It's ironic to me that the most die-hard people behind abstinence only sex education are the same people who practice a religion where you worship a god conceived to an abstinent mother.

(But it WORKS you guys, except for that one time we all get happy about it Christmas.)

Meanwhile, Colorado provided low-cost contraception for teens and lo and behold their teen pregnancy rate plummeted by 40% over a four year period.

As Texas practices abstinence-only education and has the 3rd highest teen pregnancy rate in the nation.

But it WORKS you guys...

Abstinence can not fail. It can only BE failed.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

It's ironic to me that the most die-hard people behind abstinence only sex education are the same people who practice a religion where you worship a god conceived to an abstinent mother.

(But it WORKS you guys, except for that one time we all get happy about it Christmas.)

Meanwhile, Colorado provided low-cost contraception for teens and lo and behold their teen pregnancy rate plummeted by 40% over a four year period.

As Texas practices abstinence-only education and has the 3rd highest teen pregnancy rate in the nation.

But it WORKS you guys...

Jeez Louise! When presented with facts like that, why can't people understand that abstinence just plain does not work? It's mindboggling.

[Tendrin]

Jeez Louise! When presented with facts like that, why can't people understand that abstinence just plain does not work? It's mindboggling.

Because the push for abstinence has never been about facts.

Ever.

[Paradox]

I believe the thrust has always been "Stop being dirty heathens and obey the Lord!"

**hums "Every Sperm is Sacred" in the background**

[Cinnamon]

It's ironic to me that the most die-hard people behind abstinence only sex education are the same people who practice a religion where you worship a god conceived to an abstinent mother.

(But it WORKS you guys, except for that one time we all get happy about it Christmas.)

Damn it, I laughed so hard I think I bruised a rib.

[Tendrin]

Damn it, I laughed so hard I think I bruised a rib.

That WAS a pretty great line.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Damn it, I laughed so hard I think I bruised a rib.

Yeah, WBE hit a home run with that!

[bloodofthegods]

And having organizations like Planned Parenthood to help provide birth control to people who might otherwise be unable to afford it leads to fewer people having unprotected sex.

Glad we agree.

The government or any private group that wants to and can contribute to helping keep unwanted pregnancies and STD from happening is great. But the lack of these being in existence isn't, in my opinion, a valid excuse to say "oh no I can't take care of this child!". There is a degree of personal responsibility.

Edit: One last thought before I bow out.

Jeez Louise! When presented with facts like that, why can't people understand that abstinence just plain does not work? It's mindboggling.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, it's not that I can't see that it doesn't work, I just can't fathom why it can't work.

[Raptor13]

But proper education and easy access to contraceptives would show a decrease in the abortion rate. You simply seem adamant that the government in no way aid in footing the bill, out of some sense of individual responsibility. But people aren't responsible. To quote a great movie, "People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." If people could act the way you say they would have been for centuries. We wouldn't need things like laws and governments. But we can't, and we do, and there's not point in putting off a problem. Not like the government isn't just going to waste the money anyway.

Also, I don't know what a 'solition' is. Grammatically the only reason to write it like that is a direct quote, which it isn't because I spelled "solution" correctly, or sarcasm, which I don't appreciate.

If you had read the rest of my post, you would realize that I am advocating for proper education. And I'm all for easy access to contraceptives, just pay for them yourself

As for solition, I had mistyped, and I apologize for that- I simply meant to write solution. And I'm sorry if you don't appreciate it, but that was an attack on the concept of abortion being called a solution

[Raptor13]

So even sex is something Poors are prohibited from enjoying now. Gotcha.



It can be stressful on a relationship, though. As can poverty. Put the two together, you don't have a recipe for a successful relationship. Or is a loving, committed relationship something else that Poors aren't allowed to have any more?



Taxpayer funds aren't used by Planned Parenthood to provide abortions, if that's what you're worried about.

Here's the thing - you want to see abortion happen a lot less than it does. Groovy. So would a lot of us on the pro-choice side of the fence. But would you rather get the result you want by doing something that works, or try to make everyone do things your way, then get mad when you don't get the result you want? Because this is one area where you simply can't have it all your way. Preaching abstinence simply doesn't work. It just doesn't. It's been tried, and it failed, and been tried, and failed, and tried some more, and failed some more. Here's what works - providing birth control. You may not like it, but it's what works.

You are obviously refusing to read what I'm putting forth- am I against abortion? 110%, but I have said plainly that I am not for just saying 'don't have sex, it's bad' and then being done with it. The paying for slaughter comment was against expansion, which I have seen several advocate for and I will fight that til the day I die. And your assumptions on the 'Poor' are incorrect as well. First off, I can't speak for every city, but where I am, you can get 100 condoms for $14, or individually for about $0.50 is the most recent I've seen. But that is beside the point

[PretenderNX01]

SCOTUS struck down the bans on same-sex marraige
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner...ity#.pwrXynr9z

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court in 5-4 decision on Friday ruled that states may no longer ban same-sex marriage.

Justice Kennedy wrote the decision.

The decision came almost two years to the day of when the Supreme Court launched the catalyst for today’s decision. On June 26, 2013, the court, in an opinion by Justice Anthony Kennedy, struck down the federal ban on recognition of same-sex couples’ marriages in the Defense of Marriage Act as unconstitutional.

Almost immediately, lawsuits were filed — with some already pending — across the country, challenging state bans on same-sex couples’ marriages and similar bans on recognizing the marriages of same-sex couples performed elsewhere.

One of the first cases was that filed by Jim Obergefell and his husband, John Arthur, in Ohio. They had married in Maryland shortly after the DOMA decision came down. Arthur was dying of ALS, and the couple didn’t want to wait any longer. After marrying, though, they sued the state of Ohio to ensure that Arthur’s marriage would be recorded on his death certificate and that Obergefell would be listed as his surviving spouse.

In April, Obergefell attended the Supreme Court oral arguments in the case without Arthur — who died later in 2013 — and has engaged since the arguments in advocacy on behalf of same-sex couples, including traveling to the University of Guam to serve as the commencement speaker there — even as a marriage equality battle was ongoing on the island.

The two questions before the justices were whether states could bar same-sex couples from marrying and whether states could refuse to recognize the marriages of same-sex couples performed elsewhere.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

SCOTUS struck down the bans on same-sex marraige
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner...ity#.pwrXynr9z

That's sure to send the holy rollers into a godawful (pardon the pun) rage. Hee hee!

[worstblogever]

SCOTUS struck down the bans on same-sex marraige
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner...ity#.pwrXynr9z

Heh heh... I'm polishing off a fine CSGOPOTD entry on someone relevant to this discussion.