All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[Kevinroc]

Trump plugs extremist book, promotes himself, and lies about the wall — while Houston drowns
In the midst of a natural disaster, Donald Trump took to Twitter to promote a book by David Clarke, the Trump-supporting Milwaukee sheriff with a violent past, as well as to plug a campaign rally and spew lies about the border wall.

http://shareblue.com/trump-plugs-ext...ouston-drowns/

America should have better leadership than this.

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[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

From Twitter



This is going to have to be something the Democratic Party has to either come to terms with or address in some way for 2018 and 2020. If they fall over backwards trying to change the minds of these people they will end up with a tiny base like Trump has. If they don't fall into that trap and continue to be all inclusive, they stand a better chance of winning.

Well unfortunately your base turning out is what wins you elections. The Republicans base is far right crazies. The Democrats base is young progressives who wanted Sanders. Historically when you alienate those people you lose. If the Democrats tell those people they are expendable, those people won't turn out and they will lose.

Trump has a small 30% base within the Republican Party. Those voters are the ones moderate Republicans like Romney can't turnout. The moderate Republicans will again be faced with a Democrat or Trump and will again fall in line and let their base dictate the party. The Democratic moderates/centrists would have voted for Sanders or someone far left over any Republican.

Again the problem Democrats have is that they are so afraid of appeasing their base and being called too far left for modern America that they actively spurn those people and then have their centrist candidates labeled far left crazies anyways because that's what they are too Republicans.

The fundamental disconnect is Democrats are chasing this fantasy middle ground voter that doesn't usually vote. But they have no concept of what that swing voter is. They think it's a mix between a moderate Democrat and a moderate Republican who doesn't quite align with either. The reality is that doesn't exist. It's Progressives and liberals who don't quite trust the Democratic party and the libertarians and Tea Party folk who don't quite trust the Republicans. That's the magical base swing voter that you need to fight over. Republicans catered to theirs and won, Democrats pissed them off and lost. In 2008 Obama played a progressive in the campaign and had record turnout. In 2004 safe centrist John Kerry lost.

Tami they already tried it your way and it ended in a disaster.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

and a good number of those f*****s voted for Trump out of spite

I do not care what they think

Good. But you and like minded DO care what they think. You guys were shaming them before the election for complaining, and you shamed them after for not going full tilt support for the Democratic party. And you blame them for the embarrassing 2016 loss. If you truly didn't care, you would not talk about it and find what you think is another way to win without them. Instead you found out you lost without them, not even close to a majority abandoned you and still cut the Democrats down.

You told them to shut up and fall in line, and they told you to go to hell. And the people who told them off haven't stopped crying bloody murder since.

[Jack Dracula]

Or to quote the Klingon Captain Kang: "Only a fool fights in a burning house."

Yes. If you're waiting for the Democratic party to nominate just the right candidate or for the current people to say and do just the right thing to make them worthy of your precious vote, eventually it won't be an issue. The system will be so corrupted in favor of the GOP that none of our votes will count.
We all live in the burning house with you.

[Kevinroc]

The President is fiddling around on Twitter while Texas is literally drowning and people are still whining about the 2016 Democratic Primary. It is beyond parody at this point.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

The President is fiddling around on Twitter while Texas is literally drowning and people are still whining about the 2016 Democratic Primary. It is beyond parody at this point.

The problem is that's it's not just Bernie supporters who are doing it and Hillary supporters also need to let it go and not blame "those meddlesome Bernie bros who didn't do their job" for everytime Trump screws up. You got who you wanted, it was her job to seal the deal.

[Kevinroc]

The problem is that's it's not just Bernie supporters who are doing it and Hillary supporters also need to let it go and not blame "those meddlesome Bernie bros who didn't do their job" for everytime Trump screws up. You got who you wanted, it was her job to seal the deal.

People went into defensive mode immediately.

"Bernie would have won! So it's your fault!"

"You didn't vote for Hillary! So it's your fault!"

We have a Nero as President, fiddling around on whatever as parts of this country drown, and there are people who would rather still argue the 2016 Democratic Primary.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Yes. If you're waiting for the Democratic party to nominate just the right candidate or for the current people to say and do just the right thing to make them worthy of your precious vote, eventually it won't be an issue. The system will be so corrupted in favor of the GOP that none of our votes will count.
We all live in the burning house with you.

And that's false. When the GOP does exactly what the Democrats did this past election and alienates their base to get their next in line moderate in the door (McCain and Romney) they lose.

Democrats have this weird mindset with nothing to back it up that a primary should be designed to lightball your base without going all in so that you can run back to the center in the election and chase voters who aren't going to vote for you anyways.

Meanwhile Republicans said screw it, lets blatantly sell out to our base and they won the House and they won the Senate, and they won the governships and they won the Presidency all 8 years after the Democrats declared the Republican Party and incapable of winning another general election.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

People went into defensive mode immediately.

"Bernie would have won! So it's your fault!"

"You didn't vote for Hillary! So it's your fault!"

We have a Nero as President, fiddling around on whatever as parts of this country drown, and there are people who would rather still argue the 2016 Democratic Primary.

Well the more pertinent problem is we do have Trump for President and 2020 is 3 years of and their's a big midterm coming up that we need to win and we need to find the best way to win it. So if somebody thinks the best way to win it is to double down on the Clinton campaign strategy, by all means knock yourself out, but if you can lose to Trump that way, I shudder to think what competent politicians will do.

[JBatmanFan05]

Very cool, Trump is determined to go to Texas:

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
I will be going to Texas as soon as that trip can be made without causing disruption. The focus must be life and safety.

[Kevinroc]

And that's false. When the GOP does exactly what the Democrats did this past election and alienates their base to get their next in line moderate in the door (McCain and Romney) they lose.

Democrats have this weird mindset with nothing to back it up that a primary should be designed to lightball your base without going all in so that you can run back to the center in the election and chase voters who aren't going to vote for you anyways.

Meanwhile Republicans said screw it, lets blatantly sell out to our base and they won the House and they won the Senate, and they won the governships and they won the Presidency all 8 years after the Democrats declared the Republican Party and incapable of winning another general election.

That was the media who did that.

Well the more pertinent problem is we do have Trump for President and 2020 is 3 years of and their's a big midterm coming up that we need to win and we need to find the best way to win it. So if somebody thinks the best way to win it is to double down on the Clinton campaign strategy, by all means knock yourself out, but if you can lose to Trump that way, I shudder to think what competent politicians will do.

I'd really rather double down on Obama campaign strategy.

[PaulBullion]

The Democrats base is young progressives who wanted Sanders.

Right, that is why Hillary won those primaries in a landslide.

And you accuse ME of being detached from reality?

The democratic base is people of color, women and LGBT. Also, people who are actually economically anxious but not to racist to ignore that.

[Jack Dracula]

Very cool, Trump is determined to go to Texas:

Yep, we all know how averse Trump is to causing disruptions.

Since you're here at the moment, I was wondering where pardoning Joe Arpaio falls in the whole "Make America Great Again!" scenario. Any thoughts on that subject?

[JBatmanFan05]

Yep, we all know how averse Trump is to causing disruptions.

That was well played ChadH, I'll give you that.

[Gray Lensman]

Right, that is why Hillary won those primaries in a landslide.

And you accuse ME of being detached from reality?

The democratic base is people of color, women and LGBT. Also, people who are actually economically anxious but not to racist to ignore that.

You and KNIGHT OF THE LAKE are both wrong - the Democratic base isn't one or the other of those things, it's both. And unless something brings those two sides together (maybe a charismatic progressive woman and/or person of color) effectively enough to move the party past the Clintons then 2018 won't turn out well for them.