All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[ouroboros]

Yeah, one are white supremacists who hate Jews, the othe white supremacists who hate black people.

What does the Confederacy represent in this country that we should honor it!

What overrides treason and fighting to keep slavery.

Nobody asked you to honor it.

Just allow others the freedom of self-expression.

[ouroboros]

I think we should not get caught up in the trollish 'Anti Confederate Bias' argument again, nor get caught up in self-described liberals going on about how only the Democrat-Liberals 'Yes but' or otherwise cause problems on the progressive side of things considering the infighting of the last year+.

i for one have not stated only "Democrat-Liberals" caused problems.

Got no clue what "the infighting of last year" means. In the country? On this forum?

[Kirby101]

Nobody asked you to honor it.

Just allow others the freedom of self-expression.

Public monuments honoring the Confederacy is not self-expression.

And I asked what part of the Confederate cause are THEY honoring.

The President taking the side of white supremacists is not a thing that should be ignored.

[Tazirai]

511 players and all but the 8 owners that donated to Trump have made statement against Trump. That's almost a third of active players and the majority of owners.

And it's barely day one.

NO NFL PLAYER STOOD FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM UNTIL 2009—BEFORE THEN, THE PLAYERS STAYED IN THE LOCKER ROOM AS THE ANTHEM PLAYED. NFL TEAMS GOT PATRIOTIC IN RECENT YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS GOOD FOR BUSINESS. A 2015 CONGRESSIONAL REPORT REVEALED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HAD PAID $5.4 MILLION TO NFL TEAMS BETWEEN 2011 AND 2014 TO STAGE ON-FIELD PATRIOTIC CEREMONIES; THE NATIONAL GUARD SHELLED OUT $6.7 MILLION FOR SIMILAR DISPLAYS BETWEEN 2013 AND 2015.

http://dailysnark.com/nfl-teams-didn...l-anthem-2009/

[SquirrelMan]

The "it's adorable" schtick is, like, so ten years ago.

It's so hoary, they don't even bother with it in Debate 101.

I kind of like that fact that he doesn't bother debating a troll.

It shows a kind of maturity.

[Dalak]

i for one have not stated only "Democrat-Liberals" caused problems.

Got no clue what "the infighting of last year" means. In the country? On this forum?

Never said you were, maybe you should pay attention to other conversations on this thread that aren't involved in your quixotic quest to absolve the confederates of scorn.

[Kirby101]

Is that the right tack for Rosemary Clooney's nephew?

Do you dispute anything he said about when he was young. His father was a TV reporter.

[Tazirai]

There's no disconnect because most "Alabama idjits" don't see their regard for the Confederacy as embodying treason against the current administration.

It's only "treason" in the current narrative that seeks to find facile excuses for attacking the monuments.

Test-question #45 in the Mind-Reading Course: How do liberals prove that, even if it were clearly evident that the monuments were erected to intimidate black people, this remains the modern context in which modern Southerners see them?

It's been treason since they fought the damned war. It's been a weapon since those statues weren't erected until the Civil Rights era. So yeah, you're wrong.

[Tazirai]

Nobody asked you to honor it.

Just allow others the freedom of self-expression.

Racism and treason isn't self Expression. It's Racism and Treason.

Both of which the Confederacy stood for, and why NAZI's are marching in our streets. FUCKIN NAZIS!!!!

We fought a war against the Confederacy and the NAZI, and won.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Nobody asked you to honor it.

Just allow others the freedom of self-expression.

Freedom to express racism and bigotry? Shorter answer---HELL NO!!

[Mister Mets]

Do you dispute anything he said about when he was young. His father was a TV reporter.

I'll note that Clooney has been better as an actor, director and philanthropist than Trump has been as a real estate magnate and President, but I do kinda dispute what Clooney said.

His dad was a pretty successful reporter. His aunt was a famous singer. His uncle by marriage was an Academy Award winning actor. Another uncle by marriage was a successful bandleader. He is leaving the wrong impression about his upbringing, and that seems disingenuous, or suggests he has a major blindspot.

His focus on his upbringing also ignores the subtext of the coastal elite criticism. The reason it's effective isn't because it suggests he came from wealth, but because it suggests 0he thinks he's better than the typical American. That's the more important aspect to address. One of Trump's talents has always been an ability to convey that he likes the working man, even though he came from wealth.

[Old Man Ollie 1962]

Every time the president opens his mouth about an issue he strengthens and galvanizes the opposition. The more you tighten your grip, Lord Trump, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Why does the Hamptons need riot police and a counterterrorism squad?

[Iron Maiden]

Is that the right tack for Rosemary Clooney's nephew?

His family really wasn't part of the Hollywood scene and his father settled the family in a small town in Kentucky. They were not extremely wealthy. George eventually got bit by the acting bug after various other jobs didn't pan out. Still he was not exactly an overnight sensation

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Why does the Hamptons need riot police and a counterterrorism squad?

Why not? That sort of thing is all the rage with police departments these days. Yeah, I know, sounds silly to me too.