All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[ZombieHavoc]

because him winning validated their desire to put their ugly right up front

many people knew voting for him was a poor decision, but they wanted to stick it to "the libs"

especially in those "in between" states like PA, where it is very low key racist in some places and just outright racist in others

I saw a bumper sticker, months after the election that said: "VOTE TRUMP", really big. And really small underneath it said, "no one has to know".

[ZombieHavoc]

Also, going back to the "forgotten Americans" narrative the right likes to push....I feel like these people are forgetting that Trump is not one of them. He is one of the wealthy elites who profited directly, as did much of his cabinet, off the backs of the forgotten Americans during the housing crisis and recession.

America, right?

[Ragged Maw]

youre wrong

those people don't even know how to march yet, you tell them to get off their asses or this world will burn

if they don't they are complicit

The “moral purity” incentive didn’t work before, and it won’t work now. Something more attractive is required.

[ZombieHavoc]

The “moral purity” incentive didn’t work before, and it won’t work now. Something more attractive is required.

We all know Trump wins in 2020...so...

[Malvolio]

I saw a bumper sticker, months after the election that said: "VOTE TRUMP", really big. And really small underneath it said, "no one has to know".

I saw some signs with both Trump's name and the name of a local Republican candidate, but at least one of them covered up Trump's name to let everyone know that they supported the local candidate, but NOT Trump.

[Ragged Maw]

We all know Trump wins in 2020...so...

Not if those who feel done dirty by him gain the confidence to hit the polls.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Not if those who feel done dirty by him gain the confidence to hit the polls.

and they won't

because they still believe they are going to "build that wall"

and as long as the brown/black people are on the bottom of the ladder and Trump promises to keep them there, theyll vote for him

[ZombieHavoc]

and they won't

because they still believe they are going to "build that wall"

and as long as the brown/black people are on the bottom of the ladder and Trump promises to keep them there, theyll vote for him

Yeah, we live in a world where people thought it was a better idea to just not vote because they didn't care for Hillary as the democrat candidate. Trump's winning again. I hope I'm wrong, but Americans have proven to be really, really dumb, so I'm not holding my breath.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

I think this is the factor that gets overlooked the most. Why do so many other countries have no problem with a female in a similar position yet the U.S. has yet to have their first female President? There were probably a number of males both GOP and Democrats that didn't vote for her just because of her gender but we'll never know what that number is.

Sad but true. And it wasn't just men who refused to pull the lever for Hillary, I remember reading stories during the campaign about women quoted outright saying they wouldn't "vote with their you-know-what" when it came to Clinton. Of course, that begs up the inevitable question: How much of that reluctance stemmed from a general dislike of Hillary, and how much was just plain old, garden variety misogyny? Another question: If the candidate had been say, Elizabeth Warren who didn't have a fraction as much baggage as Hillary, would the end result have been the same? The fact this country has yet to elect a woman as president says a hell of a lot about how progressive we aren't, and, might never become.

Mueller has subpoenaed Bannon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/u...-subpoena.html

Do tell. Grab your popcorn, kids! Things look to be getting mighty interesting!

[Tami]

Inside the tense, profane White House meeting on immigration

When President Trump spoke by phone with Sen. Richard J. Durbin around 10:15 a.m. last Thursday, he expressed pleasure with Durbin’s outline of a bipartisan immigration pact and praised the high-ranking Illinois Democrat’s efforts, according to White House officials and congressional aides.

The president then asked if Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), his onetime foe turned ally, was on board, which Durbin affirmed. Trump invited the lawmakers to visit with him at noon, the people familiar with the call said.

But when they arrived at the Oval Office, the two senators were surprised to find that Trump was far from ready to finalize the agreement. He was “fired up” and surrounded by hard-line conservatives such as Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), who seemed confident that the president was now aligned with them, according to one person with knowledge of the meeting.

[JBatmanFan05]

Sen. Tom Cotton on the radio with Hugh Hewitt this morning:

Cotton: Furthermore, on all of the so-called concessions that the Gang of Amnesty made, there was no concession whatsoever. They gave a relatively small amount of money, certainly not enough to secure our border entirely, knowing that they would block additional money next year. . .So the proposal they made was utterly ridiculous. And it probably set us back in trying to find a deal.
...
Here’s the problem with what the Gang of Amnesty is proposing. For four months, they kept asking the President what’s his proposal, what’s his concessions? The President has already made his fundamental concession to their position. He is willing to give an amnesty to hundreds of thousands, if not a million or more illegal immigrants who were by and large brought here through no fault of their own. That’s his concession to their position. It’s time for them to start making concessions to our position, to ending chain migration, to ending the diversity lottery, and securing our borders and enforcing our laws.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ompsomise.html

[TheInvisibleMan]

Tom Cotton can secure deez nuts

[ZombieHavoc]

Not that it's Trump's most egregious offense, comparatively, but can you imagine the brains of Mitch McConnell, congressional republicans and the religious right if we had learned that Obama's attorney had paid hush money to a porn star. Their brains would be scrambled...they'd be going absolutely haywire. Full body paralysis.

[TheInvisibleMan]

at least if Obama paid a porn star, she'd be somewhat satisfied

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Sens. Cotton and Perdue are outed for lying on Trump’s behalf

There is no honor among anti-immigrant advocates and liars, I suppose. After dutifully lying on behalf of the president regarding his abhorrent language (“shithole countries”), Sens. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and David Perdue (R-Ga.) were outed by the White House. The Post reports:

Three White House officials said Perdue and Cotton told the White House that they heard “shithouse” rather than “shithole,” allowing them to deny the president’s comments on television over the weekend. The two men initially said publicly that they could not recall what the president said.

Not only did these two repeatedly lie, but Cotton also impugned the integrity of Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), who told the truth. Asked whether the accusation that Trump spoke the offending words or the sentiment was phony, Cotton lied, “Yes.” He went on to say, “Senator Durbin has misrepresented what happened in White House meetings before, and he was corrected by Obama administration officials by it.”

Honorable men would resign after such a remarkable revelation of their crummy character; neither Cotton nor Perdue will. We still await the appearance of a single staffer of either who would quit in protest.

L'Affaire Shithole just gets shittier by the minute.