All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[WestPhillyPunisher]

The media is liberal if your view is Fox News is what the standard for conservative should be. If that's your barometer, then most media will be considered liberal. Which is the problem. We have one blatantly biased network that branded itself as the counterweight and completely sells itself out and is devoid of integrity. The branding worked for the target audience and now if you aren't Fox News you have a liberal bias.

But Trump really should have squashed the whole "the media is liberal". They gave Trump billions of dollars of free publicity even though the Clinton campaign was screaming about it being a huge advantage.

Dolt45 can't help himself. In his warped mind, every liberal media outlet is the enemy because it won't bow down to him, kiss his orange ass and shout from the mountaintop that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[PaulBullion]

Older tweet, but just a reminder what kind of person gets the presidential pardon these days:



https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/sta...81140112412673

[Malvolio]

There's the risk that some of the Poors might put some of that money in a bank instead of spending it. Can't have that.

Or worse yet, donate some of that money to a liberal cause like Planned Parenthood or humanitarian aid to Puerto Rico.

[Tendrin]

Older tweet, but just a reminder what kind of person gets the presidential pardon these days:



https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/sta...81140112412673

Where's Dinesh gonna go when we've finished letting all our bridges collapse?

[Mister Mets]

Personally I think it is unfair to accuse Mets of being dumb. I think he knows when he is lying. "Devious" might be a better word.

Do you think a majority of journalists favor Republicans? And do you think this is such an obvious conclusion that it matches how I see the world?

Sigh. Here we go again. Yes, individual journalist can be and often are varying stripes of 'Liberal', but there are things that effect the 'media' that exist well outside individual reporter's response to polls. You're smart enough to know this, Mets. The idea of the monolithic liberal media is a stupid myth that's been used by the GOP effectively for years now and people like you keep repeating 'well, journalists like democrats!' to deflect from the way that the media has been worked and has worked for /decades/ now.

And yes, they helped give us Trump and you keep repeating the ridiculous assertions that helped get us here.

If your comments about whether the media is liberal are about something other than whether a majority of journalists lean that way, we're talking past one another, and going on about different things.

As for how we got Trump, a big part of it was that he got twice as much free media as the rest of the Republican field put together (which was oversized in terms of his actual performance in the primaries.) In the primaries, the media promoted the weakest Republican candidate in a way that was helpful to Hillary.

In the Nate Silver piece, he described the ways that the media didn't think Trump would win the General Election, and noted the low percentage of newspaper endorsements for Trump, even compared to historical numbers for Republicans.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-media-bubble/

Trump took advantage of media shortcomings, rather than any kind of widespread preference for him.

"The media is liberal!" they say.

It's like you thought we weren't paying attention to Sinclair's bulls*** propaganda campaign. I mean, Fox News is a given, but there's been quite the move by right-wingers to buy their press coverage the past several years. If they don't fund a fringe media endeavor from the ground up like The Blaze, InfoWars, or Newsmax, they're buying up as many little stations as they can. Then you have tabloid executives like TMZ and the Enquirer running "catch and kill" endeavors for negative Trump stories like it's going out of style.

Try and not gaslight so hard, guys. You might break your lanterns.

There are left-wing fringe and not so fringe endeavors as well, so that match-up doesn't quite show bias. We've got Daily Kos, the Huffington Report, El Chapo Traphouse, Vox, Crooked Media, Talking Point Memo, Crooks & Liars, Salon, etc.

I'm not claiming that there is no right-wing media, or that no one in the media has a right wing bias. However, media figures are disproportionately likely to lean left.

[Tendrin]

Oh /brother/.

[PaulBullion]

Do you think a majority of journalists favor Republicans? And do you think this is such an obvious conclusion that it matches how I see the world?

See my later post on the subject.

You should be ashamed of yourself. You are part of the party destroying what this country stands for and killing innocents.

[Mister Mets]

See my later post on the subject.

You should be ashamed of yourself. You are part of the party destroying what this country stands for and killing innocents.

Which post is that? The one where you say I'm devious/ lying, or the one where you say that journalists do donate more to Democrats?

Is your point that Republicans are so obviously wrong that the media should be biased in favor of Democrats?

[Tazirai]

The media isn't Liberal, it's Corporate, two distinct things.

A REAL Liberal Media would not be cowed by the likes of Dolt 45 and the conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones, and the Ben Shapiros of the world.
A REAL Liberal Media would be tough on all Politicians and not care about Access, because a real Liberal media knows that Politicians need them more than the media needs those Politicians.

A Corporate Media can't weather Right Wing "What About'isms and Victimhood." SO they need to appease the Conspiracy nuts and the "Victims" of the "Liberal Media"
Corporate Media cares about dollars and eyeballs.
Liberal Media cares about the truth.

We do have one, and sometimes the other.

So Right Wing lies about Liberal Media Bias is absolute bullshit.

[Tazirai]

Do you think a majority of journalists favor Republicans? And do you think this is such an obvious conclusion that it matches how I see the world?



If your comments about whether the media is liberal are about something other than whether a majority of journalists lean that way, we're talking past one another, and going on about different things.

As for how we got Trump, a big part of it was that he got twice as much free media as the rest of the Republican field put together (which was oversized in terms of his actual performance in the primaries.) In the primaries, the media promoted the weakest Republican candidate in a way that was helpful to Hillary.

In the Nate Silver piece, he described the ways that the media didn't think Trump would win the General Election, and noted the low percentage of newspaper endorsements for Trump, even compared to historical numbers for Republicans.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-media-bubble/

Trump took advantage of media shortcomings, rather than any kind of widespread preference for him.

There are left-wing fringe and not so fringe endeavors as well, so that match-up doesn't quite show bias. We've got Daily Kos, the Huffington Report, El Chapo Traphouse, Vox, Crooked Media, Talking Point Memo, Crooks & Liars, Salon, etc.

I'm not claiming that there is no right-wing media, or that no one in the media has a right wing bias. However, media figures are disproportionately likely to lean left.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

[Tami]

We have a Thin Skinned President who has no sense of humor and can't stand negative commentary about him. To put it simply, there is no Liberal and Conservative in Media and Entertainment in the Trump era. There is only Pro-Trump and everyone else. Doesn't matter if you are a Journalist or a Comedian or a Rap Star, if you say anything negative about Trump you are automatically labeled a Liberal and an enemy. Even if you're voting history says something different.

So, are there more liberals in Media? The question should be, are their more Journalists in News Media who refuse to bow down to Trump and dare to do their jobs and tell the truth? I think the answer to that is yes.

[4saken1]

I think the reason journalists tend to swing to the left is because facts, statistics, and truth all favor liberalism. In order to see things in a conservative light and work for a conservative 'news' outlet, one needs to be somewhat skilled in cherry picking evidence, confirmation bias, and ignoring every piece of evidence which contradicts their preconceived notions. This is not to say that bias cannot be found within MSM outlets, but because it's such a larger pool to draw from it can seem to those with weaker critical thinking skills that this problem is rampant. Funny how these same people are typically blind to the flagrant excesses of bias on FOX, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Drudge, etc.

[PaulBullion]

Which post is that? The one where you say I'm devious/ lying, or the one where you say that journalists do donate more to Democrats?

Is your point that Republicans are so obviously wrong that the media should be biased in favor of Democrats?

Stop trolling. The post where I explain why your measurement of the number of journalists donating to democrats is clouding the issue of right wing media influence. You read the post, don't misread it on purpose. And admit that you made a deal with the devil no good person would make.

I for one am done normalizing the authoritarian moves by the GOP and those who stand by silently while they see it happening. Freedom is too important.

[PaulBullion]

This isn't a joke, Mets. Nazis are marching in the streets, attacking counter protesters with lethal force and the president of your party says there are good people among them.

Said president's lawyer argue he is completely above the law.

They are taking away the rights of women and transgender folks and people who aren't white. The right to choose, the right to serve, the right to vote.

There will come a time when you will have to ask yourself what you did when all those things happened. What you stood for. What you did and didn't fall for.

And it's gonna be ugly.

[PaulBullion]

Active shooter reported at the Rock 'n' Roll Marathon in San Diego.

Edit: Female subject, in custody. Race resuming.