All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[InformationGeek]

According to a correspondent for the New York Times...

Trump blames Obama for Russia annexation of Crimea but said he would let Russia back into the G7 without requiring it to back off its intervention in Ukraine.

[Kevinroc]

https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/stat...33860761931777

https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/stat...36644395618304

Control of the Senate will determine the next Supreme Court Justice. In other words, Roe v. Wade and now the ACA’s pre-existing condition protections are on the ballot.

Make no mistake: if the GOP keeps control of the Senate, Roe v. Wade will be overturned. If this ACA lawsuit is still unresolved, pre-existing condition protections will be struck down.

Can liberals actually take the Supreme Court seriously now?

[heretic]

With Austrian's populist right-wing government, can a Trump-Kurz axis be on the horizon?

Austria Will Shutter 7 Mosques And Review Residency Of Dozens Of Imams

The Mosques are not closed because of evidence of radicalization happening there, but simply because their financing comes at least partly from a foreign country, Turkey.

So, are basement mosques with less traceable funding a better idea? I would not think so even given any disagreements with Ankara and (I would hope, but do not expect) a desire to promote home-grown clergy.

[heretic]

In completely unrelated news:

Chinese Hackers Steal U.S. Navy Secrets, Exposing Plans for Underwater Warfare

and

Chinese Phone Company ZTE gets a lifeline in US deal

You forgot to mention the recent $0.5bln deal involving our President's business interests in SE Asia. The word Conflict of Interest comes to mind for some odd reason.

[heretic]

Republicans have nothing to do with it. Either you accept the continued conservative dominance of the Democratic party, or you oppose it. If you stay silent about it -- or more likely, you aren't even conscious of it, because you're always distracted by the Republicans -- then you've accepted it. I get that though. Hey, we can't let go of the Clintons, now can we?

So... if I have this straight you propose that anyone in or out of the Democratic Party should be able to run in it's primaries and all such candidate receive full and equal backing from the DNC. Is this correct?

If so, what would be the overall benefit of letting in anyone from Bernie Sanders to David Duke?

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

So... if I have this straight you propose that anyone in or out of the Democratic Party should be able to run in it's primaries and all such candidate receive full and equal backing from the DNC. Is this correct?

If so, what would be the overall benefit of letting in anyone from Bernie Sanders to David Duke?

Serious note, if for whatever reason they barred Bernie from entering the DNC primary, they then don’t get to throw a fit if he runs as an independent.

[kidfresh512]

Serious note, if for whatever reason they barred Bernie from entering the DNC primary, they then don’t get to throw a fit if he runs as an independent.

If he does he wont win. And all his supporters get what they want in that case another Trump term period

[Kevinroc]

Serious note, if for whatever reason they barred Bernie from entering the DNC primary, they then don’t get to throw a fit if he runs as an independent.

Then he guarantees a second Trump term.

[numberthirty]

Then he guarantees a second Trump term.

Because the DNC set the stage for that type of stupidity.

While it's their call, they should consider what it might set into motion. Maybe nothing. Maybe things go up for grabs.

If the later happens, blaming anyone but the for the entirety of it is rather silly.

So... if I have this straight you propose that anyone in or out of the Democratic Party should be able to run in it's primaries and all such candidate receive full and equal backing from the DNC. Is this correct?

If so, what would be the overall benefit of letting in anyone from Bernie Sanders to David Duke?

Serious note, if for whatever reason they barred Bernie from entering the DNC primary, they then don’t get to throw a fit if he runs as an independent.

Take a look at any huge rally Sanders had. If you can't see the potential benefit there, you are deciding not to see it.

As for "Don't Get To Throw A Fit...", that's not even figuring in if it keeps every one of the voters Sanders appealed to on the sidelines instead of just a portion of them.

[Mister Mets]

If he does he wont win. And all his supporters get what they want in that case another Trump term period

Should Democrats risk that? If so, why?

[numberthirty]

Should Democrats risk that? If so, why?

Exactly.

If the lesson you got out of the last election was "Let's not just potentially alienate independents and more progressive voters. Let's see if we can't do it on purpose this time.", you need to seriously rethink your entire line of reasoning.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

If he’s not allowed to run as a Democrat, that’s their problem. Point being letting people who caucus with you but don’t share in your affiliation has its benefits. Bernie played ball with the Dems last year. If he’s ostracized, he doesn’t owe them anything and they can’t say anything.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Should Democrats risk that? If so, why?

Establishment Dems love this stuff. They love to make little power plays that piss off part of their base, then play victim and try to guilt trip everyone when their are consequences. It’s called trying to have your cake and eat it too

[aja_christopher]

Because the DNC set the stage for that type of stupidity.

While it's their call, they should consider what it might set into motion. Maybe nothing. Maybe things go up for grabs.

If the later happens, blaming anyone but the for the entirety of it is rather silly.

Again -- Trump won because people like you didn't bother to vote against him.

Nothing you say here is going to change that.

Party politics is just an excuse -- you shirked your responsibility as a voter and now we are all dealing with the consequences.

Anyone with any sense of moral decency or civic responsibility should have known to vote against Trump -- the "DNC" has nothing to do with it.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Again -- Trump won because people like you didn't bother to vote against him.

Nothing you say here is going to change that.

Party politics is just an excuse -- you shirked your responsibility as a voter and now you are dealing with the consequences.

No Trump won because Hillary under performed with African Americans, Hispanics, independents and whites women like her supporters swore she would.

Trump won because he ran against a very beatable Democrat that way too many people disliked and felt like they were holding their nose.

It’s condescending entitlement to accuse people of shirking anything.

But I do admire how fast the thread went from a smug “”Democrats Cam do whatever they want” to lashing out over the idea that their might be consequences for their actions. Go figure.