All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[PunishedFire]

I'll remember that article the next time someone calls one of my friends in Europe "Islamophobic" and "cruel" for being against mass migration that is seeing them targeted because of their beliefs or race with violence and harassment.

Oh the irony.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

This is making the rounds on some news sites, given the timing of White Nationalists calling for "civility" after facing protests and shunnings, and some posters around here whining about Nazi comparisons... a CUNY Professor just unearthed a 1934 New York Times article where an editorialist asked Jews to show some civility towards Nazis.

Hopefully no one accuses the historian of handing Trump the 2020 presidential election for sharing that on social media.

God bless the historical record and the dissemination of knowledge.

[PunishedFire]

Also making the rounds in political news is a man that was arrested for what I'm presuming was "uncivility" towards a "white nationalist"

Here we see the white nationalist in question.

Brian Mast.

Attachment 67552

Threatened by a Florida man because of his political beliefs.

Yup! That'll win hearts and minds! Keep it up!

[numberthirty]

I feel it really needs to be pointed out that no one posting in this thread has made any such claim regarding Lewinsky and Clinton. What is this a "take that" to? Further reading shows that she was traumatized by the intense media scrutiny, not by what occurred between herself and Clinton, which was icky but consentual and somehow still not quite as bad as cheating on your pregant wife with a porn star.

The only reason that any media scrutiny happened was because someone who should have known better took part in what someone is describing as a gross abuse of power.

If you are trying to set that aside, there's an issue.

[PunishedFire]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/729331002/

Good article calling out the manipulation of Time and AP

Particularly good excerpt

"Not to be outdone, The Associated Press last week published a bombshell report on a civil rights lawsuit brought by numerous immigrant children. They were allegedly held at a detention center in Virginia and subjected to brutal abuse, including being “beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells.”

The allegations are horrifying. What was surprising, however, was the way the article framed them. In the original report, which has since been amended online, readers had to make it through more than 20 paragraphs before learning that most of the alleged abuse took place under the Obama administration. "

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Okay, Punished? Unless you have links that prove me wrong, I feel obligated to call bullshit. Mast is a hard conservative and a Trump supporter, but there aren't any reports I've been able to find of anyone accusing him of white supremacy. Someone did threaten his family over the President's family seperation policy, but that person was swiftly arrested and no one is accusing Mast of advocating a racist agenda. As one of the few republicans openly supporting a ban on assault weapons, he could actually be considered a man of conscience. Can you explain your disingenious hyperbole?

[Kevinroc]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/729331002/

Good article calling out the manipulation of Time and AP

Particularly good excerpt

"Not to be outdone, The Associated Press last week published a bombshell report on a civil rights lawsuit brought by numerous immigrant children. They were allegedly held at a detention center in Virginia and subjected to brutal abuse, including being “beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells.”

The allegations are horrifying. What was surprising, however, was the way the article framed them. In the original report, which has since been amended online, readers had to make it through more than 20 paragraphs before learning that most of the alleged abuse took place under the Obama administration. "

Always read the bylines.

Daniel Payne, Opinion contributor

Would that be this man?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/author/daniel-payne

Your source is an Opinion piece from someone who wrote for the Washington Examiner?

[PunishedFire]

Okay, Punished? Unless you have links that prove me wrong, I feel obligated to call bullshit. Mast is a hard conservative and a Trump supporter, but there aren't any reports I've been able to find of anyone accusing him of white supremacy. Someone did threaten his family over the President's family seperation policy, but that person was swiftly arrested and no one is accusing Mast of advocating a racist agenda. As one of the few republicans openly supporting a ban on assault weapons, he could actually be considered a man of conscience. Can you explain your disingenious hyperbole?

Wait...

So supporting President Trump and his immigration work and other policies makes ME a white supremacist and his supporters white supremacists but being in support of them as Brian Mast is makes him...not a white supremacist? That seems...oddly selective. Either all supporters of Trump are white supremacists...or such blanket statements are woefully ignorant. Mast has repeatedly supported President Trump and has spoke well of him.

Also by your statement, it seems to imply someone not supporting an assault weapons ban must not be a "man of conscience". Utter bunk.

Also in the news:

The left provides ANOTHER first for women! Breaking that glass ceiling! Sarah Sanders becomes the first ever press secretary to require secret service protection thanks to the behavior of political opposition!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...rs-home-report

Keep it up! Remember, when you're in the hole, holding nothing and showing no options on the table...the only answer? Quadruple down!

[PunishedFire]

Always read the bylines.

Daniel Payne, Opinion contributor

Would that be this man?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/author/daniel-payne

Your source is an Opinion piece from someone who wrote for the Washington Examiner?

Let me guess. You didn't read it?

I said it's a good piece calling out Time and AP. They provide direct quotation and support of their statements including links to the original articles. INCLUDING the original articles that date back to the Obama administration.

Citation. It's a cool thing!

Besides, I've seen people post Vox (LMFAO) articles up in here.

[Kevinroc]

Let me guess. You didn't read it?

I said it's a good piece calling out Time and AP. They provide direct quotation and support of their statements including links to the original articles. INCLUDING the original articles that date back to the Obama administration.

Citation. It's a cool thing!

Besides, I've seen people post Vox (LMFAO) articles up in here.

I read it. And I read the AP article it linked to that said abuse happened between 2015-2018 (today?).

Multiple detainees as young as 14 said guards stripped them of their clothes and strapped them to chairs with bags placed over their heads. The incidents described in the lawsuit occurred from 2015 to 2018, during both the Obama and Trump administrations.

I would like to know what happened there. Some people have some serious questions that should be answered.

Doesn't change my point that the Washington Examiner is a tabloid.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Random Tazmanian Devil growling and spitting sound effects.

Okaaaaay, guy, okay. Uh, you have fun there, arguing against the names no one is calling you, and attacking the enemies you don't have. Have fun fighting the deep state until the mods get around to noticing you.

[PunishedFire]

"Whoa, dude! The thread only has the last several pages accusing people of being racists and white supremacists and Nazis! Calm down! No one is broadly accusing people of being racists and white supremacists and Nazis! Geez! Chill!"

Talk about gaslighting.

[Kevinroc]

The Trump Administration gets no free pass on this crap. They forced this family separation and everything that followed because they thought it would be a deterrent to immigration.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/polit...dhs/index.html

[PunishedFire]

Doesn't change my point that the Washington Examiner is a tabloid.

Which doesn't change my point that the article raises good points.

Your post was nothing but a logical fallacy attacking the author based on past affiliation rather than the content of the article.

You attempted to discredit it, got called out on that, then barreled through that to ignore it.

So I guess the Obama administration was super racist and monstrous or whatever.

Or not.

I still prefer the latter.

[Kevinroc]

Which doesn't change my point that the article raises good points.

Your post was nothing but a logical fallacy attacking the author based on past affiliation rather than the content of the article.

You attempted to discredit it, got called out on that, then barreled through that to ignore it.

So I guess the Obama administration was super racist and monstrous or whatever.

Or not.

I still prefer the latter.

I want proof that Obama ordered this. That his staff ordered this kind of torture. I want to see the receipts.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...errent-sot.cnn

Here's proof that the Trump administration is doing this crap on purpose.