All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!

[ouroboros]

No reasonable person thinks this.

That's why I said "extremists." But they've had enough influence on mainstream thought that it's become common to mock some heroes for being white, particularly if there's some tenuous evidence for their being "white saviors."

[aja_christopher]

That's explicitly what I've been saying.

I'm talking about with regards to the economy, which is a long-term issue and not something that can be judged in his first year or so.

There's no need for people to wait to see if they like Trump, Sessions, and Miller taking kids from their parents and putting them in cages.

[ouroboros]

We laugh, but this ridiculousness is how conservatives actually argue and get people onto their side.

So I'm making the whole thing up to "get people on my side?"

Okay, Straight White Men, Time to Give Someone Else a Turn in Hollywood

This was the first thing to come up when I googled "straight white male superheroes."

[kidfresh512]

Woman dubbed "Pool Patrol Paula" charged with assaulting black teen at swimming pool

So glad these racist cows are getting shamed and fired.

They all need to go sit their nosy asses down somewhere.

[ouroboros]

You are terrible at this. Rye didn't call Schumer racist; she did say the issue was inherently about race. You're allowed to discuss race without turning it into a zero sum game, which is exactly what she did. She eloquently pointed out that Waters, a black-american woman was somehow being held to a higher standard of behavior than our President and most of his cabinent. Apparently her words triggered that guy whose twitter account you linked, because him interpreting that as her calling anyone who who criticizes Waters a racist is just an opinion from a rando, and not an actual piece of sourced news.

edit* What am I doing? You're literally re-tweeting the opinions of a guy who got fired from Breitbart for being too racist. lol, this guy called for a crusade against all muslims after that London bombing.

Who held Waters to a higher standard? Her political opponents?

Big surprise there.

Call me when the Left really starts excoriating Waters for her crap.

[aja_christopher]

VBTW, don't you know? The left has already abandoned that talking point and has moved on to the Supreme Court...just like when they threw DACA recipients under the bus (hoo boy is that one going to cost the Democrats)

No one -- including the "left" -- has abandoned those kids anymore than the coverage of the recent mass shooting means that people are no longer concerned about DACA or the Supreme Court.

Just because one political issue comes up one day doesn't mean the one from yesterday is gone -- your rationale makes no sense.

It's impossible to have a real dialogue with you since you can't stay on topic (unless it's about Nazis apparently) so I'll leave it to others at this point -- enjoy.

[kidfresh512]

Who held Waters to a higher standard? Her political opponents?

Big surprise there.

Call me when the Left really starts excoriating Waters for her crap.

We could say the same about the right and trump. Instead they all line up to kiss his ass or face his wrath. And THAT is what Angela was pointing out

[Kevinroc]

So I'm making the whole thing up to "get people on my side?"

Okay, Straight White Men, Time to Give Someone Else a Turn in Hollywood

This was the first thing to come up when I googled "straight white male superheroes."

Black Panther made over a billion dollars. Maybe you could admit that article had a point.

(That article is from 2015. Edit: And was updated in 2017.)

[ouroboros]

If the shit show of religion could stay out of it, leave morality out of it, we can have na actual debate.
A debate based on SCIENCE, not Psuedo Science, not I got paid by big money Science, but Science science.

The problem with the religious types, is they don't read their own book.
In the Book it gives a recipe to PERFORM an abortion, it even gives conditions.

Gawd ain't pro-life. He "Flooded" the Earth and probably killed some Pregnant women.


So religious types can go kick rocks on abortion, and should ZERO place at the policy table. Because not everyone is religious.

The default should be Secularity and actual Science.

I thought the whole moral of the Book of Job was God saying, "You can judge me when you can hook Leviathan" and jazz like that.

[ouroboros]

You hang with a weird crowd of imaginary frenemies.

I study these strange creatures, in order to better identify their habits and quirks.

[ouroboros]

I know it was from a different post.

You acted like it was from the same post.

Why?

Your imagination plays tricks on you.

And that's a pretty good feat, since you usually don't seem to have one.

[ouroboros]

Listen, little Miss Prissy:
I do not sit by my computer waiting for your demands for sources to pop up. I answered your post soon as I saw it. Now go take a chill pill.

Case in point re: lack of imagination.

[ouroboros]

Left = increasing government authority. The extreme of this is tyrannical authoritarianism like Stalinist communism or Fascism

Right = reducing government authority. The extreme of this is anarchy like in a failed state.

Both are extremely bad and, due to the circular nature of imperial "rise and fall", they tend to fail into one another. Authoritarian far left regimes squeeze to hard and collapse into anarchy. Anarchist states usually exist until a powerful, authoritarian tyrant fills the vacuum. The wheel spins.

Nazis and Communists were opposed because they were both authoritarian socialists. Nazis didn't like the Bolsheviks. Calling them "diametrically opposed" is unbelievably ignorant of both history and the premise of both parties. Both parties were socialists that claimed to be for the "workers" of Germany, both promised socialist programs. The "National" Socialists simply wanted their socialism built up within the German system and opposed the Bolsheviks who were, unsurprisingly, all about tearing down the moors of "German" society in the same way the USSR did to countless satellite nations they infiltrated, destabilized and absorbed.

Hitler himself writes of the destructive nature of the Bolsheviks and called them criminals (naturally he also linked them to Jews cuz...Hitler gonna Hitler) that had destroyed the nation of Russia which then became a nationalistic talking point against the Communists in Germany. In regards to Communists desire & penchant for the destruction of nations they infiltrate, Hitler is actually not inaccurate to the time period he was speaking in since the Communists wished for an end to "Nations" though this only resulted in building up ultra-authoritarian "Communist" (but actually socialist) countries under the control of the Communist party members who then became the new "bourgeois"

Hitler opposed Bolshevik Communism but was a socialist through and through that wanted increasing power for the state. Bolshevik Communism would have robbed Germany of autonomy in the same way he believed had happened to Russia as it transformed into the USSR and so he focused his "class struggle" (inherent to Marxist dogma) on a separation between races & "Undesirables" rather than social strata of wealth. Basically, he just bit-switched the socialist narrative from "Rich people are stealing from you!" to "Rich Jews are stealing from you!". Same song, different key.

Nazi's were as left as left could be and the proof is in the writing of the time pre-WWII where American leftists, socialists and progressives praised the "success" of fascist Italy & Nazi Germany (in ways that are EERILY similar to the praise for Socialist Venezuela)...right up until the point the bodies started piling up and then, suddenly, they were "Right wing all along" (again, similar to how Venezuela is magically no longer a perfect example of socialism).

That Communists and Nazi thugs fought each other in the streets means nothing. They were two similar groups fighting over the same ideological space and both were simply violent, radical extremists that embraced that violence over civil discourse because they decried civil discourse as "The tool of the establishment"

Naturally, this doesn't sound familiar to anything at all.

I have sometimes suspected that the main reason Nazis are called "Right Wing" is because their Communist enemies were defined as "the Left."

[ouroboros]

Which is why I have him on my ignore list. I got no time or patience for that sort of nonsense.



But hey, both sides are just as bad, right?

It's never been about both sides being equally bad.

It's been about their equal *potential" to be bad.

[ouroboros]

As already pointed out, yes groups that occupy the same socio-political space hate each other.

Or are the Bloods and the Krips total opposites? No, they are identical organizations competing for the same space.

You didn't actually address a single point I made. In fact, all you just did was reinforce my own point. Authoritarians in-fight among each other to try and seize authority. How is this remotely a revelation? The outcome of Communist Parties and Nazi parties result in the same exact thing: Socialist Authoritarians that murder, en masse, those they deem undesirable or useless in their society after stripping them of rights. Death camps, secret police, dictators and tyranny. All identical.

They're the same thing. They occupy the same ideological space with variances in their wedge issues and attitude towards a "nation". National Socialists wanted "Germany" and the Communists wanted a one world commune. Opposition to the armistice came from perceived lack of Germany autonomy...the same thing the Nazi's railed against the Communists for desiring (since, as already addressed, Communists proclaimed they wanted to end nations as a concept)

It should be noted that the Communists of the time talked a good game about taking over now so that they could liberate everyone when the proletariat rose worldwide. This supposed devotion to de-centralization might fit your earlier definition of Leftism.