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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-Rex View Post
    Or he ended up in the same place that General Sam Lane and Major Lucy Lane ended up. Or is Lucy Lane still running the DEO desert facility?
    Sure. Why not? It would explain why we never see (or hear other characters mention) her.

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    I wonder if General Lane and Lucy Lane will ever show up on Superman and Lois? Either the original actors or recast the roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-Rex View Post
    I wonder if General Lane and Lucy Lane will ever show up on Superman and Lois? Either the original actors or recast the roles.
    (Cough)Crisis(Cough).

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    Didn't expect for them to kill off Oliver so early.

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    I realize the show is called Supergirl but do they have to make Superman so emotionally weak? I realize he was worried about his son, but I thought he was going to give up before the fight even began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caj View Post
    I realize the show is called Supergirl but do they have to make Superman so emotionally weak? I realize he was worried about his son, but I thought he was going to give up before the fight even began.
    I don't know if he was "weak," he was just having a moment - the kind that Kara has had many times and needed a friend to boost her up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caj View Post
    I realize the show is called Supergirl but do they have to make Superman so emotionally weak? I realize he was worried about his son, but I thought he was going to give up before the fight even began.
    Seriously?

    He just witnessed the end of his people, the death of his Aunt, and he sent his infant son into space and had no idea where he was at that moment. On top of that, he just learned that his Earth was about to be destroyed. How was he supposed to act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnakinFlair View Post
    Seriously?

    He just witnessed the end of his people, the death of his Aunt, and he sent his infant son into space and had no idea where he was at that moment. On top of that, he just learned that his Earth was about to be destroyed. How was he supposed to act?
    Can't forget he's a first time father and over protective of his son (which, actually does carry over from the comics).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnakinFlair View Post
    Seriously?

    He just witnessed the end of his people, the death of his Aunt, and he sent his infant son into space and had no idea where he was at that moment. On top of that, he just learned that his Earth was about to be destroyed. How was he supposed to act?
    I guess some people want the DCEU Superman. To just have a blank, bored expression all the time even if something really bad happens, like the US Capitol building being destroyed by a bomb with him in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-Rex View Post
    I guess some people want the DCEU Superman. To just have a blank, bored expression all the time even if something really bad happens, like the US Capitol building being destroyed by a bomb with him in it.
    Or conversely, people want Kara to be just as emotionally upset as Superman rather than being the one who pulls him out of a funk when both of them are suffering the same level of loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Clark View Post
    Or conversely, people want Kara to be just as emotionally upset as Superman rather than being the one who pulls him out of a funk when both of them are suffering the same level of loss.
    Kal witnessed it first hand, so I think its kinda normal for him to be more affected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Clark View Post
    Or conversely, people want Kara to be just as emotionally upset as Superman rather than being the one who pulls him out of a funk when both of them are suffering the same level of loss.
    Exactly. She just lost her mother but was still confident they would prevail. The Superman I grew up with would've believed whole heartedly that he and his companions would be able to defeat whatever was coming their way. He would not have sulked and wondered if there was going to be a tomorrow or not.

    Tyler Hoechlin did a great job with what they gave him to do - he's a great Superman. I just didn't care for the writing of that scene. It was like they were weakening Superman so that Kara could be the confident one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caj View Post
    Exactly. She just lost her mother but was still confident they would prevail. The Superman I grew up with would've believed whole heartedly that he and his companions would be able to defeat whatever was coming their way. He would not have sulked and wondered if there was going to be a tomorrow or not.

    Tyler Hoechlin did a great job with what they gave him to do - he's a great Superman. I just didn't care for the writing of that scene. It was like they were weakening Superman so that Kara could be the confident one.

    I’m sure that was the intention but the result was that Clark came off like more of an actual character whereas Kara was written like a cipher not allowed to feel the depth of human emotion.

    Clark’s feelings in that scene were extremely genuine and they do not make him weak because struggling on occasion does not make a person weak. He experienced a great deal of loss and was struggling with the very real reality that, in his eyes, he also failed his wife and son. Not only is it extremely in character for the Superman I know and love to blame himself and feel he didn’t do enough but it’s a problem to me that Supergirl wasn’t allowed to express the same level of pain.

    In their attempt to build Kara up and prove how much “better” she is than Superman (a stupid exercise because they can be equals without constantly having to tear him down) they’ve made her a cipher who doesn’t get to explore her own feelings and emotions.

    Having doubts and struggling with pain does not make Superman weak. It’s what makes him someone that we can relate to as opposed to an untouchable god with no emotions. A Superman who watches thousands die and feels helpless protecting his son and wife standing there all smiles so sure of everything and not feeling that pain is not a Superman I know or want to know. And, frankly, in their attempt to prove how much better Kara is....they short changed her.

    Also, just as an aside, I can’t think of one Superman in media in the last 40 years who wouldn’t react the same way. People love to act like Clark never struggled with doubt when it’s just untrue. Even the Chris Reeve Superman struggled deeper with doubt and sadness and it’s most evident in Superman 4 where he literally tells Lois that he needs to be near her because she makes him laugh and “sometimes I just don’t know what to do.” This is not new and does not make him less of a hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caj View Post
    I realize the show is called Supergirl but do they have to make Superman so emotionally weak? I realize he was worried about his son, but I thought he was going to give up before the fight even began.
    I can sort of sympathize with him, but he did sort of go over the top a bit. And he didn’t even mention the symmetry of sending his son to earth in a rocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelliebly View Post
    In their attempt to build Kara up and prove how much “better” she is than Superman (a stupid exercise because they can be equals without constantly having to tear him down) they’ve made her a cipher who doesn’t get to explore her own feelings and emotions.
    All Kara does in this show is explore her feelings and emotions.

    As to why she acted like this here- first, this isn't the first time she's seen her mother die. Maybe she's in denial and doesn't believe she's truly gone. Maybe she can accept it more easily because she spent years believing her mother was dead, and considers the time they had together again a gift. Or maybe she's just internalizing everything at this moment, and she'll break down later. It's important to note that all of this happened in the span of a few hours; Kal was more emotional as a new father who's son (and then wife) were out in the unknown where he couldn't protect them. Kara, meanwhile, has had a world-threatening crisis to deal with every year for the past 4 years, so she may have been able to better compartmentalize her feelings. Also, we have yet to see the full aftermath of Kara loosing her second home; they could be saving that for later in the Crisis, or later in her season.

    I should also note that, as of now, we only know that 3 billion people were saved. But we don't know if Eliza, James, Jeremiah, or anyone else they were closed to made it off the planet. And since Earth 38 was wiped from existence, so too was it's future, which means the Legion (and Mon-El, and Winn) are most likely dead. I suspect we may explore that at some point as well.

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