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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelC View Post
    I hate the bisexual erasure going on over on Legends of Tomorrow. But that doesn't seem to be what's happening here. There is no real previous sexuality to retcon with Alex.
    The alex\max fans would disagree. For me though I don’t think it is helping the issue because it does focus on the whole “coming out as gay” and it’s a storyline given a lot of time on a supporting character and not on the lead. Fans will ship what they want for example I’m on board with Alex\Maggie and Kara\Lena because I like the four characters and the chemistry between them however I also liked the back and forth that Alex had with Maxwell Lord and because of a decision I can’t do that without getting hassle. As I said before I think I’m seeing a trend in which you have to be gay or straight the only example where that wasn’t the cause is the example of Pure Genuis which I think should be the template, if the performers have good romantic chemistry pull the trigger and make it a relationship if not then don’t.
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    You are not the only one hating what is happening over on Legends of Tomorrow. Google "Sara Lance bisexual erasure" and #SaraLanceIsBisexual". There are a lot of us angry about Sara's bisexuality being erased.
    Thanks Michael I thought I was going crazy.
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    Some bisexuals are willing to have long-term monogamous relationships. So they will appear to be either homosexual or heterosexual exclusively, for the duration of that monogamous relationship.
    Except that’s not what happened if that’s what happened then that would be fine however they ignored the Oliver\Sara relationship which was ended for a stupid reason imo. After the Lazarus pit she didn’t feel anything the man she was in love with didn’t have any effect but a woman causes her to run because she feels something and after that in season 2 she was sent to Salem which had men and women and who did she corrupt only the women, which is basically what’s the point in keeping her bi and then of course in the Arrow crossover she says she prefers girls which is another nail in the coffin of Sara’s bisexuality.
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    Of all things, my suspension of disbelief is tested with Alex. They seem to forget that they showed us Alex as a lush partygirl, presumably early 20s, since she's "almost 30". I remember that time being a point of sexual exploration, especially with lowered inhibitions and a lack of fear with taboo. Don't want to generalize, but her having not once questioned her sexuality seems bizarre. And as seen with Maggie (Renee, grrrr) "sleeping over", there wasn't an implication of sexual disfunction. Dumb thing to get hung up on? Sure. But a shift to lesbianism feels like it deserves a bit more of an honest turn.
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    This episode amused me a bit.

    Guess the cloaked aliens weren't this universe's Dominators. A shame but alright. Wonder who they are then.

    The implication though with the Dominator knowing Mon-El was a bit odd to me. Particularly given the whole slave trade connection. Does that mean Mon-El was not only the Prince (pretty much inevitable now) but also part of the ones behind the slave trade that occurred on Daxam as well? Kinda hard to walk away/back from that. Guess the cloaked aliens could be folks seeking revenge on Mon-El for said slave trade? IE former slaves?

    It also shines a negative light on Daxam, which before seemed to be just party central rather than actually BAD. Hmmm...

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    Well, to be fair, they've explored the cracks in Kryptonians too. Showing Daxamites as flawed makes sense, as we're referring to a royal based lineage species that had an entire planet for presumably centuries. One of my favorite reads is Byrne's World of Krypton. The history and scope he lays out illustrated the inevitable rise and fall of the dominant species of a planet. I'm sure when all is written on our time, we won't be able to shake things like The Crusades, World Wars, the Holocaust etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MykeHavoc View Post
    Of all things, my suspension of disbelief is tested with Alex. They seem to forget that they showed us Alex as a lush partygirl, presumably early 20s, since she's "almost 30". I remember that time being a point of sexual exploration, especially with lowered inhibitions and a lack of fear with taboo. Don't want to generalize, but her having not once questioned her sexuality seems bizarre. And as seen with Maggie (Renee, grrrr) "sleeping over", there wasn't an implication of sexual disfunction. Dumb thing to get hung up on? Sure. But a shift to lesbianism feels like it deserves a bit more of an honest turn.
    Not really, it happens. I've heard may a case of it. Heck people FAR older than Alex is meant to be only start to realize their sexuality. It's basically a case of things "clicking" at the right place at the right time. Its very realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyroTwilight View Post
    The implication though with the Dominator knowing Mon-El was a bit odd to me. Particularly given the whole slave trade connection. Does that mean Mon-El was not only the Prince (pretty much inevitable now) but also part of the ones behind the slave trade that occurred on Daxam as well? Kinda hard to walk away/back from that. Guess the cloaked aliens could be folks seeking revenge on Mon-El for said slave trade? IE former slaves?
    Mon-El is obviously the prince.
    Princes generally don't get to do a lot until such time they level up and become kings. I mean, does Mon-El strike you as the kind of person involved with gorvernment?

    But obviously the Dominators did business with Daxam, possibly slave trade, so it does stand to reason that they recognise the Daxamite heir to the throne.

    The cloaked aliens (my guess: Daxamite survivors) seem to be in league with the Dominators (which in itself is enough to suggest they're evil and up to no good, and more likely to be slavers than ex-slaves seeking revenge), and that Dominator bowed to Mon-El. That does not suggest an adversarial relationship.

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    I'm not saying you can't live to 30 before realizing you're gay. I'm saying the character traits don't lend itself well to having it feel authentic. I actually assumed Alex was gay within the first half of season one. But when and how they explored it rung hollow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyroTwilight View Post
    This episode amused me a bit.

    Guess the cloaked aliens weren't this universe's Dominators. A shame but alright. Wonder who they are then.

    The implication though with the Dominator knowing Mon-El was a bit odd to me. Particularly given the whole slave trade connection. Does that mean Mon-El was not only the Prince (pretty much inevitable now) but also part of the ones behind the slave trade that occurred on Daxam as well? Kinda hard to walk away/back from that. Guess the cloaked aliens could be folks seeking revenge on Mon-El for said slave trade? IE former slaves?

    It also shines a negative light on Daxam, which before seemed to be just party central rather than actually BAD. Hmmm...
    Mon-El said he didn't support Daxam's slave trade, so even if he is the Prince he might very well have been genuine about that. I assume the Dominator recognized him purely for his royal status and not for any direct involvement he may have had in the slave trade.

    Kara's been complaining about the Daxamites being hedonistic savages almost non-stop since Mon-El showed up. That they practiced slavery isn't that much of a surprise.

    Quote Originally Posted by MykeHavoc View Post
    I'm not saying you can't live to 30 before realizing you're gay. I'm saying the character traits don't lend itself well to having it feel authentic. I actually assumed Alex was gay within the first half of season one. But when and how they explored it rung hollow.
    Well, I think someone like Alex, who for so much of her life has repressed or had to control her emotions for the sake of her sister and was so focused on her career, would have difficulty with finally allowing herself to have and explore a personal life as she finally, genuinely, fell in love with someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoganAlpha30X33 View Post
    I loved Winn's, I'm not a red shirt...quote...
    I LOLed at that; what a fanboy~!

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    Well about Alex before she joined the DEO she certainly didn't repress anything or control her emotions, and she did seem genuinely interest in Max Lord before she knew how much of a bad guy he was...

    As for Winn, yeah that's probably what I would have said or at least thought were I in his position...

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    I never bought that she was necessarily interested in Max. I saw it as more her humoring him for the sake of the mission. And yeah, she is someone who tries to keep herself in control, and her personal life was a bit of a cypher before now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Well, I think someone like Alex, who for so much of her life has repressed or had to control her emotions for the sake of her sister and was so focused on her career, would have difficulty with finally allowing herself to have and explore a personal life as she finally, genuinely, fell in love with someone.
    That's almost her little speech verbatim. I didn't really buy blaming sexual repression on her adopted sibling. It sounds ridiculous just saying it. Though nobody cares, I'd have done it different. Glad we're there. Just should've been more decompressed and woven in earlier.

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    What was with the Dominator bowing to Mon-El? Is it because of those aliens hunting him, and showing respect for the assumed future dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killercroc357 View Post
    What was with the Dominator bowing to Mon-El? Is it because of those aliens hunting him, and showing respect for the assumed future dead?
    They know hes the prince

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    And I don't think those aliens aren't hunting him. They probably think they're rescueing him.

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