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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Smith View Post
    Fun episode, stupid fighting when Metallo 2 shows up. Kara as usual stands there stupefied until she gets knocked on her can. Forgets all her powers as usual. Although, the trap in the suit was neat.
    The stun guns are stupid when fighting potential supervillians, though. Too politically correct for a government agency. Heat vision having kinetic impact - shouldn't work that way - as is the idea you can block a beam of energy by shooting another beam into it. You might be able to divert a beam with some incredibly intense magnetic or gravitational fields - which would total the environment.

    I like the plot, forget the trivia. The ironic thing is that Lena and government is correct that they need to tool up to defend the country against super threat. Given Red, I'd have cop carrying a mag of Kryptonite hollow points.
    I think the heat vision is a concentrated photon blast, like a laser beam, that is a manifestation of X-Ray vision. The heat vision being related to X-Ray vision was explained in the 1950s TV show Adventures of Superman. And light
    does have the ability to exert force on an object. As powerful as heat vision is, it should exert a tremendous force on an object. If you are referring to Supergirl vs Metallo, I think Metallo's energy blast is a concentrated beam of kryptonite
    particles. As such Kara's heat vision photons should be able to deflect and perhaps even destroy the kryptonite particles. On Star Trek their phasors could be set to stun and no one complained about that so I don't see why this is a problem for Supergirl. Sounds like a double standard or criticism for the sake of criticism or a pro gun political agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-Rex View Post
    I think the heat vision is a concentrated photon blast, like a laser beam, that is a manifestation of X-Ray vision. The heat vision being related to X-Ray vision was explained in the 1950s TV show Adventures of Superman. And light
    does have the ability to exert force on an object. As powerful as heat vision is, it should exert a tremendous force on an object. If you are referring to Supergirl vs Metallo, I think Metallo's energy blast is a concentrated beam of kryptonite
    particles. As such Kara's heat vision photons should be able to deflect and perhaps even destroy the kryptonite particles. On Star Trek their phasors could be set to stun and no one complained about that so I don't see why this is a problem for Supergirl. Sounds like a double standard or criticism for the sake of criticism or a pro gun political agenda.
    Interesting- did they ever show Superman using his heat vision on the fifties show?🤔

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    That's horse poop physics in our universe. Complete nonsense. On Star Trek, they didn't hesitate to disintegrate someone if called for. The comics and then the shows picked up the don't kill mantra after the introduction of the Comics code. Agenda - why Supergirl is one of the most political agenda shows of the current Arrowverse shows. Not that it bothers me unless it takes over from reasonable plot points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protege View Post
    Interesting- did they ever show Superman using his heat vision on the fifties show?��
    I can't cite any specific examples off the top of my head but he would use it to burn papers or heat up a gun until it was too hot to handle. With the state of effects at the time and the extremely low budget of the show it
    wasn't used that often. But one advantage of his heat vision being a manifestation of his X-Ray vision is he could send it through objects without harming them and the heat vision would only affect the intended target.
    Something that Superman and Supergirl seem to have lost the ability to do in more modern incarnations.

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    On the show, he once tried to melt a kryptonite bar in a trap he was caught in. In the 50's Superboy used that ability of his X-ray, heat vision to warm up some hot dogs inside buns.

    Of course, the physics fans knew that Superman etc. didn't send out a beam of X-rays to see through things as that would make him Cancer Man given 50's X-ray tech as you would have to be in back of the target to see the X-rays that deferentially passed through. Today's back scatter would be different although the EU banned it as also being dangerous.

    Heard a Noble Prize winner in vision explain the problems with actually using X-rays for Super-vision. So it's something else, not in the normal x-ray realm of our universe.

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    The Eve reveal was pretty great, and considering this episode was called "All About Eve", I was hoping we would get more backstory for her. Eve's only motivation is that she has a crush on Lex? That's disappointing. I'd like Lena to convince Eve to switch sides. Hopefully after Supergirl delivers a beatdown to Lex.

    Quote Originally Posted by CliffHanger2 View Post
    Luv how Jonn realized who he was again by connecting to his father. He has one the best character arcs I've seen on T.V. Keeps me coming back to this show. And Alex is hot too.
    I loved J'onn's plot, particularly his declaration that he's the Martian Manhunter. I wonder where it'll take him next. Also, that alien shape shifting race who lost their identity was a crazy story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-Rex View Post
    I can't cite any specific examples off the top of my head but he would use it to burn papers or heat up a gun until it was too hot to handle. With the state of effects at the time and the extremely low budget of the show it
    wasn't used that often. But one advantage of his heat vision being a manifestation of his X-Ray vision is he could send it through objects without harming them and the heat vision would only affect the intended target.
    Didn't he do that in...was it Superman 3? He was in another room and cooked a chicken in the oven by x-raying through the walls and only heat visioning the chicken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protege View Post
    Interesting- did they ever show Superman using his heat vision on the fifties show?��
    I just watched episode 2 of season 4 of Adventures of Superman and it was confirmed that Superman uses his X-ray vision to heat objects up. In the story a kid doesn't believe he is the real
    Superman so first the kid has Superman bend a horseshoe. Then as further confirmation the kid specifically tell Superman to use his X-ray vision to melt the horseshoe (not heat vision) and
    Superman obliges by turning the horseshoe into a puddle of metal. No beams emanates from Superman's eyes, he sees the horseshoe is in using the effect the show used to
    demonstrate Superman using X-ray vision and we see the horseshoe melting.

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    I like how they showed Lex's secret lab in his prison cell.

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    At this point- why is Alex's memory still wiped? When she was being hard on Supergirl and acting more like a hard-liner, it made sense and injected some additional drama into the series. But now that she's back to acting just like she did when she knew Supergirl was Kara, it seems foolish to keep up the pretense.

    Also- I'm really, REALLY enjoying Otis. From ringing the bell before stepping into the ring with Supergirl, to his comment on journalists.
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    One minute.

    I'm still not watching Supergirl, but I just watched a one minute clip from this week's episode on Facebook and even that has managed to annoy me. In just one minute, the clip manages to encapsulate so much of what's wrong with the show. To such a degree that I need to get it out of my system.

    FYI, the clip is the bit where Kara goes off to save the guy in the car despite her now being a fugitive cos of the whole doppelganger/white house stuff. So Kara gets there and some random dude wants to "citizen's arrest" her. He changes his mind after about three seconds and instead decides to shoot her in the face. Because that's standard procedure for a citizen's arrest, obviously So already I'm confused. Either the guy thought shooting Supergirl would work and he figured straight-up murdering her was the best option... or he knew it wouldn't work because she's Supergirl, so he just did it for funsies?!!??

    But OK. Benefit of the doubt. Plenty of bad guys have tried to shoot Supergirl (and Superman) over the years, knowing it wouldn't work. So I'll let that one slide. And we'll move on to Supergirl's response. She's being shot at by someone at reasonably close range, near a burning car and an injured civilian. She's obviously not worried about being shot but presumably she's concerned about stray bullets flying off all over the place. But hey, that's not a worry, right? Because Supergirl has Superspeed. And she could take the gun from the guy in less time than it would take to blink.

    But wait. What's this? Supergirl seems to have forgotten she has Superspeed and has decided to let the guy carry on shooting at her. She stops a second bullet. And the third? OK, that one must have been going too fast, even for her (man, they're gonna have to rethink that "fasting than a speeding bullet" slogan now!). It's hard to tell, but she either misses it or intentionally deflects it towards the car. And whichever option you pick, the end result is still Supergirl being incompetent.

    But we're not done. Because that bullet hits the car, setting off a small explosion. A small explosion that Supergirl flinches from. Supergirl flinches. From a small explosion. I... I just got nothing at this point.

    Aside from Supergirl's typical uber-nerfing, let's go back to the other characters. The 'everyday' people of National City. Who live in a world where aliens, advanced technology, superheroes, even magic are possible. And who live in a city where Supergirl has been saving people on a daily basis for four years. And who, despite all of that, are willing to accept something they've recently seen as cast iron, irrefutable fact without entertaining even the slimmest possibility that it could have been faked. Seriously, we question stuff more in the real world and we don't have human cloning/evil robot doubles/time travel/etc as a possible explanation!!

    You know what's worse than bad TV? Bad TV when it's one of your favourite characters and when it feels like it must take more effort to make the show so utterly, utterly, utterly bad than it would to just make a good Supergirl show.
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    Good episode. And a really funny coincidence, with them showing an obvious Assange-inspired character just a few days after his arrest.

    The only thing that I found a little ridiculous was Kara quickly changing clothes to get away from Otis.....and the dumbass actually BUYING it. But then again, it was played for laughs, so why not.

    And I really wonder where they'll go with James gaining powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchist View Post
    Good episode. And a really funny coincidence, with them showing an obvious Assange-inspired character just a few days after his arrest.

    The only thing that I found a little ridiculous was Kara quickly changing clothes to get away from Otis.....and the dumbass actually BUYING it. But then again, it was played for laughs, so why not.

    And I really wonder where they'll go with James gaining powers.
    The thought that ran through my mind in that scene- "You mean Lex never told Otis that Kara Danvers and Supergirl were the same person? Even when he was training Red Daughter to act like Kara?"


    Vworp Vworp, I'll give you the citzen's arrest was stupid, and it's appalling that she didn't disarm the guy. But maybe she was trying to show them all that she wasn't a homicidal murder who would attack the White House. Maybe she was trying to appear non-threatening, and disarming the guy would only make things worse.

    As for the explosion- eh, Melissa flinched. It's hard not to flinch when an explosion goes off behind you, big or not. I won't hold it against her.

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    Yeah, I mean I flinch too when a balloon burst next to me, even though it doesn't hurt me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnakinFlair View Post
    Vworp Vworp, I'll give you the citzen's arrest was stupid, and it's appalling that she didn't disarm the guy. But maybe she was trying to show them all that she wasn't a homicidal murder who would attack the White House. Maybe she was trying to appear non-threatening, and disarming the guy would only make things worse.
    Disarming the guy firing indiscriminately in the direction of an injured man and a burning vehicle would have made things worse? Worse for who? What, she was worried the guy would be like "Ha!! You stopped me from risking other lives in my clearly useless attempt to detain you!! This proves you are EEEVVIIILLL!!!"

    Quote Originally Posted by AnakinFlair View Post
    As for the explosion- eh, Melissa flinched. It's hard not to flinch when an explosion goes off behind you, big or not. I won't hold it against her.
    Except that this isn't Melissa. It's Supergirl.

    But yes, if it had just been a small natural reaction to the stunt, fair enough. But it isn't directed that way. Supergirl physically and significantly recoils from the explosion.

    Much like I did from this clip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnakinFlair View Post
    At this point- why is Alex's memory still wiped? When she was being hard on Supergirl and acting more like a hard-liner, it made sense and injected some additional drama into the series. But now that she's back to acting just like she did when she knew Supergirl was Kara, it seems foolish to keep up the pretense.

    Also- I'm really, REALLY enjoying Otis. From ringing the bell before stepping into the ring with Supergirl, to his comment on journalists.
    I am guessing Alex's mind will stay wiped until either Colonel Haley leaves the DEO after the president is exposed or there is a rumor that the world finds out that Kara is Supergirl. Maybe the later even triggers Alex to regain her memories.

    I don't care what anyone says, Otis is a fun guy. I like that he actually is vaguely competent and not a total wimp, unlike the movie version of Otis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchist View Post
    Good episode. And a really funny coincidence, with them showing an obvious Assange-inspired character just a few days after his arrest.

    The only thing that I found a little ridiculous was Kara quickly changing clothes to get away from Otis.....and the dumbass actually BUYING it. But then again, it was played for laughs, so why not.

    And I really wonder where they'll go with James gaining powers.
    It's a pretty common practice to instantly go from Supergirl to civvies. A couple other times I recall were in season 1 where Kara is supposed to be baby sitting Cat's son. Supergirl goes to his school to pick him up.dives into some bushes
    and Kara instantly emerges wearing a dress, her hair done up, and glasses. Another time was in the season 3 premiere where James uses the signal watch and Supergirl flies in through a window at Catco, walks past a curtain, and comes
    out on the other side again wearing a dress, her hair done up, and glasses. At least in this scene a few seconds transpired, it wasn't an instantaneous change.

    If he is still being Guardian he should be a little less likely to get his butt kicked in a fight.

    But yes, if it had just been a small natural reaction to the stunt, fair enough. But it isn't directed that way. Supergirl physically and significantly recoils from the explosion.
    When the crook empties his gun on Superman, why does Superman just stand there, but when the crook runs out of bullets and throws the gun at Superman, why does Superman duck? If the bullets don't hurt him,
    why would Superman think an empty gun hitting him would? Obviously an instinctive reaction, just like being startled by a loud noise would happen with Supergirl.

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