Daken or Raze

[Project Initiative Cascada]

Neither. But if I had to choose I'd go with Fire Knives.



Or the long forgotten Erista.

Who is she and where is she from?

[KurtW95]

Who is she and where is she from?

Fire Knives (the girl in the picture) is one of Wolverine's kids that he didn't know he had then killed in Aaron's run to the solo.

[jazzflower92]

If I want to be honest both are kind of like fan fiction characters who over rely on angst, daddy issues, and unoriginality.

[krisis]

Daken: Awesome transgressive character that was able to subvert expectations of both what a hero and a villain should be (including a persistent portrayal of bisexuality from a mainstream male comic character).

Raze: OMG, WHAT IF WE CROSSED MYSTIQUE WITH WOLVERINE, MOVIE FANS WOULD GO CRAZY!

[Jameszahra]

Daken: Awesome transgressive character that was able to subvert expectations of both what a hero and a villain should be (including a persistent portrayal of bisexuality from a mainstream male comic character).

Raze: OMG, WHAT IF WE CROSSED MYSTIQUE WITH WOLVERINE, MOVIE FANS WOULD GO CRAZY!

lol that's a great way of describing daken and raze. I love it

[anthony_lynch15]

Daken: Awesome transgressive character that was able to subvert expectations of both what a hero and a villain should be (including a persistent portrayal of bisexuality from a mainstream male comic character).

Raze: OMG, WHAT IF WE CROSSED MYSTIQUE WITH WOLVERINE, MOVIE FANS WOULD GO CRAZY!

LMAO, that is brilliant!

[Kieran_Frost]

Real Daken or Remender daken ? If it's the latter, it's a tie.

QUOTE FOR TRUTH!!! I voted for Daken (real Daken, by Liu&Way)... Bendis' Raze is better than Remender's Daken (sadly).

If I want to be honest both are kind of like fan fiction characters who over rely on angst, daddy issues, and unoriginality.

Real Daken didn't rely on that, in fact Liu&Way specifically moved him passed that (Remender returned him to it); and made him a guy who loves to watch the world burn (very un-angst, specifically).

[Jameszahra]

QUOTE FOR TRUTH!!! I voted for Daken (real Daken, by Liu&Way)... Bendis' Raze is better than Remender's Daken (sadly).


Real Daken didn't rely on that, in fact Liu&Way specifically moved him passed that (Remender returned him to it); and made him a guy who loves to watch the world burn (very un-angst, specifically).

Ah Kieran I knew it was you before even looking at your avatar. Always got the best facts about daken.
We need another appreciation thread

[Mari]

If I want to be honest both are kind of like fan fiction characters who over rely on angst, daddy issues, and unoriginality.

Very true.

[Sprite]

To be frank, I don't like either of them. Put a gun to my head, and I'd probably choose Daken.

[Mari]

To be frank, I don't like either of them. Put a gun to my head, and I'd probably choose Daken.

I feel the same way... except I would choose Raze.

[DDD]

If I want to be honest both are kind of like fan fiction characters who over rely on angst, daddy issues, and unoriginality.

That`s why Raze is better. Daken is mundane.

[Sprite]

That`s why Raze is better. Daken is mundane.

I would like Raze more if he hadn't come from the god awfulness of Battle of the Atom and was given a more proper introduction. As it stood, it just felt like Bendis was throwing darts at the wall to see what "crazy future events" would shock us more. At least Daken had some potential as a character, though I honestly can't get behind the rapey vibes that I get from him.

[Kieran_Frost]

Ah Kieran I knew it was you before even looking at your avatar. Always got the best facts about daken.
We need another appreciation thread

LOL! You know me, always rocking the Daken. I'll make an appreciation thread when I get home tonight.

[Kieran_Frost]

It was revealed in uncanny avengers that daken was never fooled by sabertooth, he knew what sabertooth was planning the whole time, he just didn't anticipate wolverine actually going all the way through with killing him.

WHAT? Really? Hmmmm... Remender trying to undo some of the numerous problems with the death of Marvel's first true LGBT solo star. Meh, at-least he's trying to correct his wrongs, I'll give him that. Do you have a scan, pretty please?

I think dakens place is with x23 avenging Logan's coming death (post uncanny avengers). Seeking revenge on sabertooth for backstabbing him and taking over Madripoor which IMO belongs to daken.

LOVE this idea! Not because Daken would care, BUT joining forcing to get back at Sabertooth and build a bond with X-23, I can see (also, he might have a "no-one gets to kill the old man BUT ME!" mentality about Logan's death. Make it happen, Marvel!!!