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    DeFalco's work is overshadowed by a tumultuous time in the Spider office at Marvel. There are gems present in the run, and I think the run is pretty significant in its own way (all the MJ stuff, Alien costume stories, Hobgoblin stuff). But also his run just kind of ended abruptly, leaving things less than tidy story wise, in the middle of a pretty intense Gang War story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    I'm not sure if it counts or not, so I'm gonna ask:

    How well remembered is the Tom DeFalco run on Spider-Man?

    I feel that while not the longest run, it got a lot done in that time: He expanded Mary Jane's backstory revealing her to have known Peter was Spider-Man, created the Silver Sable, as well as the more minor Rose and Black Fox, was one of the creators of the Klyntar/Symbiotes (as a contributor), expanded upon the story of Crusher Hogan (the wrestler Spidey fought before Ben died), wrote the partway iconic and partway infamous Spider-Man vs. Firelord fight, and he wrote a crossover with the X-Factor (then a reunion of the O5 X-Men) where Spider-Man was thought to be a mutant.

    However, while well received, I felt like it was one of the more underappreciated runs. It doesn't get quite thought of as a classic. Wonder why that is?

    Imo, DeFalco is a GOOD writer, not a great writer. I think he’s regarded appropriately by fandom. Many people like his 1980s ASM run (although it wasn’t as good as Stern’s run) and Spider-Girl has a huge cult following to this day, of course. His second ASM run in the late 90s (end of clone saga and then post-clone saga) ranged from okay to pretty bad, though.

    I think DeFalco is a decent, but flawed writer. His ideas and plots are really good, but his execution is sometimes lacking and his dialogue is sometimes downright cringe. He’s contributed an important part of the Spidey mythos. That’s undeniable though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    I'm not sure if it counts or not, so I'm gonna ask:

    How well remembered is the Tom DeFalco run on Spider-Man?

    I feel that while not the longest run, it got a lot done in that time: He expanded Mary Jane's backstory revealing her to have known Peter was Spider-Man, created the Silver Sable, as well as the more minor Rose and Black Fox, was one of the creators of the Klyntar/Symbiotes (as a contributor), expanded upon the story of Crusher Hogan (the wrestler Spidey fought before Ben died), wrote the partway iconic and partway infamous Spider-Man vs. Firelord fight, and he wrote a crossover with the X-Factor (then a reunion of the O5 X-Men) where Spider-Man was thought to be a mutant.

    However, while well received, I felt like it was one of the more underappreciated runs. It doesn't get quite thought of as a classic. Wonder why that is?
    I love DeFalco's run! Maybe just my own bias, but I always assumed it was highly regarded. But I don't think it's discussed as much as it should be, because I'm not sure if you can ever discuss it enough!

    His progression of Peter and MJ's relationship is especially strong, in spite of his intentions to eventually have MJ leave Peter at the altar. I think whatever his conscious intentions, he wrote her in such a way that she was healing from her troubled family past with Peter's help, and marriage was the next logical step. It's like his future self, the guy who would write more "Mr. and Mrs. Parker" stories than any other writer, was breaking through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    You know, I'll be honest, I haven't revisited most of Conway's second stretch on the Spider-Man books in years. But those years are burned into my memory in a good way.

    The JJJ/Chameleon story was a real standout. It was almost undeniably the best JJJ story ever written until "Under the Moustache," and there's still a case to be made for it.

    The Tombstone/Robbie stuff was fantastic, edge of your seat drama. But don't forget Glory Grant and the Lobos Brothers! And some very cool one offs featuring the Punisher (and a villain called the Persuader), or John Walker Cap and the Tarantula.

    But if you want a quick way to see how much Conway improved as a writer, check out the Carrion story from TSSM 149:

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    You have motivated me to dig out those issues and give them another read! Will have to do so soon and circle back 'round....

    On another note, I agree that both "Behind The Moustache" and the JJJ/Chameleon story can compete for Best JJJ story ever told but I will throw one more into the mix to round out my Top 3 favorite JJJ stories of all time: Peter David's absolutely superb "Point Of View" from Web of Spider-Man #13. It rarely gets mentioned because Web was a title that never seemed to find it's footing and veered from writer to writer and just never had the spotlight BUT within it's run there are some definite jewels and this is one of them. Also one of the greatest one-and-done Spidey tales ever IMO.


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    IMO PAD also did a great one-and-done tale in Incredible Hulk#380 with the late GREAT artist Bill Jaaska...

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    Paul Jenkins' humanist Spider-Man.

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    I feel like Busiek’s work gets a bit overshadowed, if not forgotten, when I honestly think he nailed teenage Peter’s voice better than anyone else ever has - in either the comics or any other adaptation. For anyone who hasn’t read his work, I’d recommend Amazing Fantasy #16-18 as well as his Untold Tales run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackspidey2099 View Post
    I feel like Busiek’s work gets a bit overshadowed, if not forgotten, when I honestly think he nailed teenage Peter’s voice better than anyone else ever has - in either the comics or any other adaptation. For anyone who hasn’t read his work, I’d recommend Amazing Fantasy #16-18 as well as his Untold Tales run.
    Untold Tales is in the top 5 runs on the character. It has great used of the rogues, an excellent portrayal of Peter, fixes tons of continuity errors of the original Lee days, created coke really cool new villains, and is pure continuity porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackspidey2099 View Post
    I feel like Busiek’s work gets a bit overshadowed, if not forgotten, when I honestly think he nailed teenage Peter’s voice better than anyone else ever has - in either the comics or any other adaptation. For anyone who hasn’t read his work, I’d recommend Amazing Fantasy #16-18 as well as his Untold Tales run.
    Glad to hear it. Heard criticisms about this being inconsequential, but I'm glad someone considers Amazing Fantasy #16-18 worth defending...


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    Untold Tales is in the top 5 runs on the character. It has great used of the rogues, an excellent portrayal of Peter, fixes tons of continuity errors of the original Lee days, created coke really cool new villains, and is pure continuity porn.
    Agreed. Well-written character work that makes a lot of sense (IMHO):

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    Untold was among the few things I bought in the mid-90's. It had some interesting observations/patching, like Peter not needing his glasses anymore, but maybe too much new (Batwing) or superfluous (Commanda) stuff. Another thing that bugged me, was how Peter was dressed as originally presented, while at the same time there were a lot of 90's visual references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K7P5V View Post
    Glad to hear it. Heard criticisms about this being inconsequential, but I'm glad someone considers Amazing Fantasy #16-18 worth defending...
    I loved these issues and was annoyed that people seemed to discard them. It's one of the reasons why I think people complain too much about "teen Peter".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Parker View Post
    Untold Tales is in the top 5 runs on the character. It has great used of the rogues, an excellent portrayal of Peter, fixes tons of continuity errors of the original Lee days, created coke really cool new villains, and is pure continuity porn.
    Yeah 100% agreed. I'm not sure if I'd say it's in the top 5 Spider-Man runs period, but (and this might be considered an unpopular opinion) I do prefer it over Ultimate Spider-Man for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by K7P5V View Post
    Glad to hear it. Heard criticisms about this being inconsequential, but I'm glad someone considers Amazing Fantasy #16-18 worth defending...

    Honestly I've never heard Amazing Fantasy #16-18 even get mentioned, let alone criticized/praised. Which I think is a shame since I feel like, despite being arguably inconsequential (which I don't hold against it, since it's hard to have any major events happen between AF #15 and ASM #1 without doing some heavy retcons), they really build on the emotional story beats introduced in AF #15 and flesh them out a lot more. And the painted artwork is gorgeous IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Untold was among the few things I bought in the mid-90's. It had some interesting observations/patching, like Peter not needing his glasses anymore, but maybe too much new (Batwing) or superfluous (Commanda) stuff. Another thing that bugged me, was how Peter was dressed as originally presented, while at the same time there were a lot of 90's visual references.
    In agreement with you about Untold Tales of Spider-Man. Although I do remember the artwork being praised for not imitating Ditko's style from the period portrayed, but instead creating its own aesthetic & layouts which made it look more modern.

    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    I loved these issues and was annoyed that people seemed to discard them. It's one of the reasons why I think people complain too much about "teen Peter".
    Sadly, the ol' Parker luck strikes again

    Quote Originally Posted by blackspidey2099 View Post
    Yeah 100% agreed. I'm not sure if I'd say it's in the top 5 Spider-Man runs period, but (and this might be considered an unpopular opinion) I do prefer it over Ultimate Spider-Man for example.
    No matter what, I'll always have a soft spot for the first 160-issues of Ultimate Spider-Man. But there's something special about creators willing to fit their stories within the rigid constraints of comic book continuity and making it work, which is why I also prefer Untold Tales of Spider-Man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K7P5V View Post
    In agreement with you about Untold Tales of Spider-Man. Although I do remember the artwork being praised for not imitating Ditko's style from the period portrayed, but instead creating its own aesthetic & layouts which made it look more modern.


    Look at that guy with the double word balloon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post


    Look at that guy with the double word balloon.
    Great example, especially when compared to poetry readings in coffeehouses (LOL):
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    Quote Originally Posted by K7P5V View Post
    Great example, especially when compared to poetry readings in coffeehouses (LOL):
    That was one the mayor complains I had about the series, just looking at it, you couldn't tell what time the action was taking place in. I guess it was by design.

    I liked Olliffe just as much as Ditko in his own style, and it wasn't so far apart that it wouldn't track with the old stories.

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